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Old 02-27-2015, 05:30 PM  
EonBlue
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Nobody is a greater authority on the status of our planet than Nasa, National Geographic and NOAA.
National Geographic? Nice pictures but I would rate them pretty much near the bottom as an authority on climate.

NASA and NOAA are political entities and as such are tainted. If Obama tells them to fudge the data they do it.

Do you honestly think that any government employee at either of those institutions is going to step over the line when the Dictator/Emperor does stuff like this:

Call out climate change deniers

There is a full blown democrat led McCarthy style witch-hunt going on right now for scientists who fail to accept the dogma.

Read these:

The last climate science witch hunt

Save Willie: The global warming movement is anti-science, oblivious to how little we know about climate

Roger Pielke Jr.: I am Under ?Investigation?

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"When ?witch hunts? are deemed legitimate we will have fully turned science into just another arena for power politics.

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"average surface temperatures could rise between 2°C and 6°C by the end of the 21st century."
Global Warming : Feature Articles
That only says what they estimate it will rise based on the assumption that increased CO2 continues to cause increased warming. It doesn't answer what the natural rate might be absent any human influence. It is entirely possible that all of the increase is natural and very likely that their estimates are way off. Their guess is not an answer.


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"In Earth?s history before the Industrial Revolution, Earth?s climate changed due to natural causes not related to human activity. Most often, global climate has changed because of variations in sunlight......These natural causes are still in play today, but their influence is too small or they occur too slowly to explain the rapid warming seen in recent decades."
Again that doesn't answer the question - what is the ideal temperature for the planet? Like I said before we are near all time historic lows for temperature. Life has flourished in greater quantity in warmer temperatures than we have now. The history of the planet did not begin 80 years ago.

Keep in mind - frost and ice = death, warmth = life - except of course for the very few species adapted to life in frost and ice. Just compare the abundance of life in the equatorial rainforests to the scarcity of life at the frozen poles.


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"Core samples, tide gauge readings, and, most recently, satellite measurements tell us that over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters). However, the annual rate of rise over the past 20 years has been 0.13 inches (3.2 millimeters) a year, roughly twice the average speed of the preceding 80 years."
Another non-answer. During the Eemian sea levels were up to 20 feet higher than today. Where in the variance of +/-20 feet is the ideal sea level? If Eemian sea level rise was natural, why can't current sea level rise be natural? Again, the history of the planet did not begin 80 years ago.


That's just more hype based on the theory that increased CO2 leads to a linear increase in temperature. It doesn't. The planet has had periods of 8000 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere and life flourished. Why all of the sudden is 500 ppm going to be a catastrophe for the planet? It's not.

Congrats for trying but none of the questions were actually answered.


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