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Old 03-23-2015, 10:36 AM  
crockett
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Originally Posted by WDF View Post
I have mentioned this before with regard to my companies activities some of which are copycat activities of both local and federal law enforcement.

A monitored call as well as harvested data may ne be allowed in court but the information produced is often the groundwork for legally (Warrants/Wire Tap Orders) being issued by judges.

Stingray is a more evolved method of some of the older information gathering techniques used.

Cell Phones and Cordless Phones are monitored on a large scale world wide by many agencies and also by people not involved in the apprehension and prosecution of criminals.

Admissibility in court has become secondary to data, information, intelligence gathering in an effort to produce admissible data, information, and intelligence.

Wireless phones do not enjoy all of the same legal protections wired phones do and no phone and many of your conversations in person are intercepted while not publicly allowed to be presented in front of our public court systems.

Yes this is the problem, they are mass collecting data but don't use it in the actual cases but rather use it as a way to pin point a crime..

Example, with stingray system, they can have a crime take place then go back and check their data to see if any cellphone were in that location. They now instantly have suspects being the owner of anyone's phone whom was in that location at that time.

They can't use it in court, but they can use the information to bluff someone into admitting guilt or use the info to developers probably cause. They then just claim an anti out source gave them the info..

There is no need to install tracking chips in people.. We willingly pay out our cash to buy them and use them everyday.

It all sounds good when they are using it to catch rapist, child molosters and violent criminals, but these tools eventually always end up being used on normal people.. Just like the warrant less wire taps were orginally supported to be just for extreme cases of national security.. Yet now it's used on everyone with a cell phone by the NSA.
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