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Originally Posted by Robbie
I agree that nuclear weapons in the hands of crazy people willing to use them (such as the United States did in WW2 don't forget) is a bad scenario.
I DON'T agree that the United States has any power to order other countries around and try to make up "rules" for them to follow (especially since we won't follow them ourselves).
To me, the only real answer to the nuclear problem (and face it...you just can't keep assassinating scientists in other countries, you can't kill science and how to make a bomb) is to do this:
Have the President Of The United States make a declaration that is ratified by Congress that declares that if ANY country tries to join the nuclear weapons club in the future...it will be considered an act of war and the United States will immediately go to war with them.
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Robbie you said above that you "DON'T agree that the United States has any power to order other countries around and try to make up "rules" for them to follow", and then in the very next paragraph you said if any other country tries (!) to get a bomb that they should themselves be bombed. Which is it?
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Originally Posted by Robbie
At least that can be legitimized.
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No it can't. Who says that the US has the power to bomb other countries without a declaration of war? Why bomb them just because they are thinking of building a bomb? How do you prove it? What you said makes no sense, sorry.
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Originally Posted by Robbie
Not this vague bullshit of "do what we order you to do" that is going on now.
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The deal isn't vague at all - its actually pretty detailed. The US and other countries aren't just saying "Don't build a bomb", they are also taking away Iran's ability to make a bomb in exchange for lifting sanctions against them.
Or put another way, the US stopped giving Iran aid. If they want the aid back (which they do), they have to give up their bomb-making abilities. Iran said yes. Iran gets their aid, gets to build safe nuclear power planets, gives up their abilities to make bombs, and now the world sleeps a little better. It's a great deal that Obama should be proud of.
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
look douchebag, i've spent the last 3 months debating you like an adult, a commitment i made to myself and made public here at teh gfy. your reply to that was for me to go back to fucking my mom. i honored my commitment to kyself regardless of your reply to it. and regardless of your continuing to categorize my 28,000+ posts in a negative light and regardless of your continually making shit personal.
i'm done with that.
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I apologized for insulting your Mom, and since Christmas I have been respectful towards you. You on the other hand have called me and many others here, endless names in multiple threads and agreements, every time you realized your arguments were falling flat.
There's nothing wrong to admitting you're wrong, or have made a mistake, etc. Others here have done that, me especially. The next time you are so pissed off at someone for their opinions, don't trash them. Instead challenge yourself to continue the debate and find the facts. You'll feel better and live longer.
TO DIRECTFIESTA from DYNAMO:
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
dumbfuck, you can do a fucking search and stick the results up your ass.
it's all on the fucking record here. the fact i have to point that out to you confirms yet again just how much of a dumbfuck you are.
want to be treated like an adult by me? then act like an adult toward me, otherwise you get treated like the fuckwad child you are.
i've proven in this thread i respond back to people in the same tone they have towards me. but you're too fucking stupid to even see that, let alone figure out you are posting about something you truly have no fucking clue about, i'm not surprised.
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And, just like that, you fail again. Oh well. Enjoy your impending aneurism.
TO DIRECTFIESTA FROM DYNAMO:
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
i tell ya what i'm going to do. since it's Easter and the topic is a nuke peace accord, i'll extend to you the same truce i offered ********** back in december, you stop with the personal bullshit, including the gotcha attempts and drive-by insults and i'll stop replying to it in kind. i won't be stopping if you don't, unlike what i decided to go forward on with **********, that was back when i gave him the benefit of the doubt of being an OK guy.
this isn't a framework, there are no late-night coffee talks, this is the deal.
it's entirely up to you.
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Don't take the truce! Dynamo has an itchier trigger finger than John McCain! D'oh!