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Originally Posted by Joshua G
i personally dont worry that the government will be hijacked by a nazi-like cult & subvert the public with their own personal data. theres no proof the government is arresting people first & using their data as evidence after the fact.
so far the government has been doing all this snooping & collecting, & no political groups have gone to jail. small time drug dealers seem to not worry about texting their product on their iphones, i seen this personally. underage drinkers are not being arrested for posting drunk pics on facebook.
we have this constitution that pretty much guarantees the state will never use the tools of fascism on the people. although numerous constitutional principles are ignored, some are bedrock, like free speech & guns. the cops do a great job keeping the peace, although some people beg to differ depending on their worldview.
my feeling is, im powerless over it, & im not gonna riot over it. im more worried about tomorrows NBA game 7.
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The very fact that this spying is going on shows that the Constitution means nothing to them.
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The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution provides, "[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
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If they decide they want to do something,. they will do it and worry about figuring out a way to make it "legal".
This very vote shows EXACTLY that. The NSA just went ahead and did what they wanted to do. The Supreme court ruled they over reached their legal abilities. The House has now voted to make it legal and "extend" their abilities..
There is one thing which has always run true, when govts get power they do not give it back with out being forced. When they are given a hammer for a specific job it isn't long before they want to use that hammer on every job..
Look at Swat teams for a clear example of this abuse. They were always intended for the most violent raids, not ordinary warrant searches and so on. Now they are used indiscriminately because the cops have them and all their equipment, so why not use it? That's exactly what they do now, they use them for everything they can..
The spying has started out with the excuse of terrorism but we have already seen cases where the FBI & police have been tipped off by the NSA for crimes having nothing to do with terrorism. It wont be long before they decide it's ok to use it against "suspected" drug dealers, for saving the children, for catching you cheat on your taxes.. It doesn't end once they are give the power they just expand that power. Every govt has done this and it's up to the people to stop it.