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Originally Posted by Mutt
You're a clown and I hate clowns but I'll respond anyway. Without the Americans opening up a western front Hitler had the resources to keep fighting and killing Russians, add a year on to the war in Eastern Europe. The Russians don't get to Berlin in 1945 without the Allies kicking Nazi ass in Western Europe.
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oh so the americans opened the western front not the allies?
I always thought it was the allies
and that the USA just took part
US assumptions: IF the USA had not "opened up the western front" the russians would have lost
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Originally Posted by Mutt
As for Japan, Japan wasn't surrendering, they didn't even surrender after the first nuke was dropped. Neither the Russians or US were willing to negotiate anything but a total surrender and were prepared to Home islands of Japan - the Americans estimated that American casualties would be enormous, up to a MILLION dead US soldiers to finish off Japan. Russia would have suffered huge casualties as well. So the decision was made to use the atom bombs. The best WWII historians have agreed that there was no real surrender coming from Japan, that the war would have continued on Japanese soil and have been catastrophic for both the Japanese and Americans/Russians. You know zero about any of this, stop pretending that you do.
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oh up to a MILLION would have died?
you guys lost 400.000 soldiers in WW2 total, just like shit hole yugoslavia did, but you would have, somehow, lost ONE MILLION men in war torn bombed the fuck out crippled japan?
sounds legit
does not sound desperate at all
does not make it look like hurt pride from stalin taking berlin at all
nukes save lives
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Originally Posted by Mutt
As far as the Red Army goes, they weren't much better than the Nazis, read some Holocaust history about what they did to the Jews they 'liberated' from the death and concentration camps.
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and the USA went on to kill 6.000.000 (conservative estimate)
Why do we ignore the civilians killed in American wars? - The Washington Post
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but a conservative estimate is at least 6 millioncivilians and soldiers."