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Originally Posted by Mutt
i'm not defending the Church's abominations, we would have progressed faster if the Church had been more progressive but please tell me these countries/civilizations which weren't under the influence of the Church during the Middle Ages that flourished?
We aren't where we are today without the role of the Church, you can't re-write history.
It's preposterous to think that Western Civilization developed into greatness, subjective as 'greatness' is, and that its' most powerful influence and institution had no or little role in it.
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There were no Western civilizations during the Dark Ages that were in a position to flourish. The Catholic Church was in control.
As I said earlier...I'm gonna go with the 4 college semesters of Western Civ that taught me history. And also the 4 semesters of Humanities (the arts) to form my educated thoughts.
I'm not the one trying to re-write history.
As far as our "greatness". It stems from the Renaissance and a rediscovery of what the Greeks and Romans did.
If not for the Greek and Roman forms of govt. there wouldn't even be a Republic like the one we live in now.
And the Romans were so far ahead technologically that it's ridiculous what happened to mankind during the Dark Ages.
This subject isn't one that I would think you'd want to spend a lot of time researching. But since I had to do it to get my degree (as do all liberal arts students), I know the history of Western Civilization pretty well.
Can't speak for the civilizations of Asia or Africa.
But Western Civ? Every person here who went to college knows what I'm talking about.
Western Civ and Humanities were required courses for a liberal arts degree.