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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
I think more for the reasons i stated and moreover, the single reason you stated "fake praise". It's always fake praise, by disingenuous, self serving people, complimenting someone's crap project knowing they are so emotionally invested, they won't want to hear anything else... and they do it for their own benefit, not that of the person who actually sweat blood and tears into his work. In fact, they do it at his direct expense.
The other side is how do you wake someone up? How do you make Sleazy see YesSignals.com as being a bit of a mess that needs a lot of work? You can't do it by ass kissing. You can't be gentle and get his attention. You can't wake someone from their trance with politeness and courtesy. You certainly can't get them to see it completely differently when they are so emotionally invested in what they are doing, by being nice.
He hit up a lot of people on ICQ telling them about his "idea" and showing them his "site" and everyone basically said "looks cool bro" to avoid an awkward, but much needed conversation that an actual "friend" would have had with him. Because this business is so full of fake, self serving douchebags, he then launches a site which makes no sense at all, where it's not even clear what the site is, what it's about, what it's selling or whats going on and that was basically his last chance before fading away into obscurity.
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You, my friend, are the Kevin O'Leary of GFY. And I thank you for that! Keep the brutal honesty coming (except towards me, we all know I'm awesome and perfect LOL).
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Originally Posted by Shap
Sorry Mickey that was shitty feedback. This thread took a weird turn and I'm not sure what to make of it lol. I expected smaller guys to post pages they needed feedback on. But as someone else said the second I said actionable they checked out. Now it's big boys like you, Stan and Roald. While I'd love to give feedback I get the feeling the things the three of you are doing are so much bigger than just a single page or single design element that it's a bigger conversation.
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Well here's the thing about 'feedback' Shap: for someone like me, who's been peddling paysites going on 7 years now, and whose company has brought in millions in gross revenue during that time period, my feeling is I should know what sells and what doesn't at this point. Big companies like Roald's or Mickey's do indeed deserve a broader more 'macro' conversation while guys like me are 'in-between' the little and big guys. We 'in-betweeners' have neither the time nor the resources to implement broad changes and maintain them long enough to A-B test without losing vital income.
Now, the 'little guys' who could benefit from your advice and experience the most? They're mostly gone, or too new to understand who you are and what you offer, or are just too damn clueless to seek your advice.
(I have benefited greatly from your experience and advice so I personally say 'Thank you'.)