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Originally Posted by JA$ON
Of course you are right, ratios on straight up banner clicks, tube videos plays etc are worse. Nobody would ever deny that, but thats not what I said. If ratios are worse, you just need more traffic (or different traffic). I know it sounds silly to say that, but its what those who are doing well have done. And don't kid yourself, getting ratios like that and better are still available and there are webmaster doing hundreds of joins a day with numbers like that. From tube banner clicks, lol, of course not, but via social networking, email and other sources.
Lots of people are twisting my argument. So I'll be clear.....
ratios ARE worse
Free porn is everywhere and pay site sales are down
but....
Sales on other products are up and making up the difference, and there are plenty of whales out there doing ridiculous numbers of sales. From different sources than in 99 (LOTS of social media etc) and there are far, far fewer affiliates able to compete. I didn't say it hasn't gotten harder, what I said was the cream rise to the top and while its not a cakewalk like it used to be, creative affiliates have done whatever needed to be done to keep their sales the same or rising. New methods, new verticals etc
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I'm mostly ignoring anything about whether it is harder for affiliates/others and am instead focusing solely on whether the total revenue in adult (porn+dating+cams mainly) is higher in 2015 versus 2000.
I'll just make some points to make it a quicker read rather than a wall of text.
- There are more people online. Definitely, but a good portion of that traffic is almost garbage. So it doesn't end up being a 1000% increase or anything near what you need to offset the negatives. I remember arguing over this with Fabian of Manwin circa 2011 and actually going into country of origin figures from official internet traffic sources over the last couple decades.
- A dating company which had their data leaked also had some reports leaked which detailed affiliate earnings. The reports showed that their top earners (mostly tubes) appeared to make less than about $3,000 per week. In fact beyond the top 10 it was pretty much all under $1,000 a week. A few hundred a week put you in the top 100 for sure.
Granted there are bigger companies in the dating game as is there also cams but I think this still shows something. The money being made today from these traffic sources isn't near what some assume they are. The weaker ability to monetize traffic (as compared to before) significantly harms earnings industry wide. Basically you have something like 10x more traffic doing $2 cpm now versus 1x the traffic doing $30-$50+ cpm in 1999. This results in a relative net loss. Of course individual results vary but we're talking overall only.