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Originally Posted by bronco67
Once ISIS has established their "state", then we can bomb the living dog dookie out of it. They won't be able to do the same to us because monkeys can't fly sophisticated jets.
When you can target your enemy with air power, but they can't reciprocate it's pretty much game over. Just ask Germany and Japan.
It may not even come to that because ISIS can take territory -- but it's much harder to hold on to it once you have it. And it's not like you use Islam as an infrastructure. Things fall apart without doctors, plumbers, people to maintain a stable way of life. They'll most likely overreach and be destroyed from within.
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US is already bombing them like crazy the problem is that there aren't proper ground troops, if US had ground troops + air attacks this will be wrapped up really fast.
It's not like the allied forces were pounding on Germany and they couldn't do anything, in fact in the beginning they had superior tech, which allowed them to be so successful. like the 'fau' rockets which after the war opened the door to space. Japan on the other hand only capitulated when two cities were nuked.
I guess if you just go and bomb everything that moves from air or you drop nuke over the area it will be over quite fast and you won't need ground invasion but nowadays you do have to care about civilians (or at least pretend to)
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Originally Posted by Rochard
The problem is once "The West" goes in with it's military, suddenly it becomes "the infidels have invaded a Muslim country".
What we need to do is collect these refugees and send them back to the middle east - to countries with strong governments and protections such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, and and others and say "This is a middle eastern problem, you fix it".
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One of the problems is that those same countries won't take them, only Turkey, Lebanon and Morocco are taking Syrian refugees. Turkey and Lebanon are quite packed, the population of Lebanon is 25% refugees at the moment and no one is helping. Western Countries refused to give money to keep them there or put political pressure to other neighbouring countries to take them, well you can't wish problems away if you ignore it it gets worst...
But when you say "This is a middle eastern problem, you fix it" they can easily respond "You fucked up the middle east, it's your problem"
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Originally Posted by Rochard
Also, I don't think ISIL is as big or powerful as everyone seems to think. We have images in our minds of them taking over large portions of Syria as well as Iraq. They have a strong foothold in Syria, but in Iraq it seems they have control of a few larger cities.
We all need to keep in mind that Middle Eastern countries seem to have large areas where the government has little if any control, and these seems to be areas that ISIL has taken root.
As far as ISIL's military strength, it's all ground based. They have no ships and no planes. The key to any modern day battlefield is through air power; Control the skies and you can control what happens on the ground.
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Agree there, ISIL's power is blown completely out of proportion in the media.