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Originally Posted by woj
what you are saying may be true, but that's all irrelevant... fact is Turkey repeatedly told Russia to stay away from it's airspace... Russia continued to enter Turkish airspace, and so they got shot down... pretty damn simple... all your "reasons" are just an attempt to muddy the water...
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Maybe it is irrelevant to you since you are obviously biased. I won't get why is that, there can be tons of reasons. It was for 17 seconds and only if Turks are not lying as I am concerned they could lie just like Russians can. We don't know that. How you can take something as absolute truth, served from perspective of one of sides involved. As I mention above, that means you are biased.
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Originally Posted by woj
like I said, there was no reason for Russia to even fly near Turkish airspace... they do it to fuck with Turkey...
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Lol..there are so many reasons and most important of all is that terrorists are selling oil to Turkey and getting money to finance war and all that mess we are watching for last several years.
As mentioned, you guys are so against Ruskies that you willingly are putting yourself on the side of terrorists.
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Originally Posted by woj
if the circumstances were reversed, that it was Turkey flying inside Russian airspace after repeatedly been warned not to, Russian wouldn't hesitate one bit to shoot it down... Russian official would just say "we warned them multiple times, they continued to enter our airspace, we shot it down" and it wouldn't even be news at all...
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We don't know that. It is speculation just like I would say that Chinese wouldn't let Japanese, or Pakistani wouldn't let Martians. Iranians for example let Ruskies to fly over, just like Iraqis did. Irrelevant, but what is relevant is that Turkey is helping terrorists and it is their main partner in region. While Russkies are fighting same those muslim terrorists for years in Caucasus, Turks are helping them. Not sure are you people aware that Erdogan is ruining secular state and going toward sharia law and rules. And all that shit is fine with you just to be against Russia. That is simply sick and wrong.
There will be many problems from now on. One stupid mistake will change everything. There is no more flirting between NATO and Russia since NATO country fired first. From what I am reading ( and I can't know is that true ,of course), Ruskies deliberately violated Turkey airspace multiple times today since they are covered by S300. That was real and genuine provocation and not that shit with a lonely bomber.
S400 is on the way which means that airspace there will soon be impenetrable. Iran will get full support from Russia. Beside that, I guess that Ruskies will take some serious revenge to Turkey. It would be enough to give anti tank missiles to Kurds and support creation of Kurdistan. That is very high price for shooting in the back of one airplane (even if it was in your airspace for 17 seconds).
Situation is much more complicated. Businesses from Turkey took credits from banks so they can match demand on Russian market that was opened to them after European sanctions. If Ruskies stop importing, these ordinary people are fucked.Who will feed them? Pilots that shoot or Erdogan personally? (or maybe Erdogan's daughter that is helping ISIS fighters as a medic)
$96 billions worth is touristic industry in Turkey. 12 % are Russian clients. All important touristic agencies stopped selling holidays in Russia today and trend will just become bigger.
Do not forget huge impact of Russian propaganda machine that is present in Europe. They could speak against Turkey, give fake reports and completely ruin their most important industry.
This is pretty sure that will happen as minimal response for back stabbing.
There are two problems how Turkey can respond:
1. planned gas pipeline with Turkey
2. Bosphorus as a gate for Russian war ships.
First one will probably be solved with raising oil prices what is now inevitable after US and Russkies bombed Turkish/terrorist oil fields.Prices are already up. In this, Germany will profit because it will be main reseller of Russian gas to Europe. All Balkan states and american ass lickers like Bulgaria and other "states" will now pay the price for serving and will have to buy it from Germany. One huge Lol to them while watching how they will become even more poor and fucked.
Second: I don't know about international laws but it is possible that Turks won't let Russians to pass through bosphorus. Ruskies should not believe them after this episode. That will complicating things even further in sphere of international law. It will change everything and I don't have time to write about those implications.
While we are talking Russians are bombing Turkmens hard , those proud guys that were shooting on pilot in parachute yesterday. Turkey income from oil will be completely cut off in a few days. This will make them even more mad. I guess that second attack on Russians won't be smart at all, for the Turks and maybe for the rest of the world.
Don't forget for what kind of shit sparked previous world wars.This is not a game and it was not worth shooting down one bomber that was not threat to Turkey by any means , it was threat to their criminal business in other country (Syria)