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Originally Posted by chloelewis
I think the logic come from the fact that you have live streamers on Twitch or YouTube who don't pay a cut to the streaming site for tips/donations and they have better quality video and sound, better chat, better technology, etc.
It's frustrating because these streamers entertain the same it's just that they are not naked. So if you get naked, YouTube or Twitch don't want you so you have to go with the adult streaming sites who take a 50% cut of your tips/donations and you get worse quality video, etc.
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The worse video it looks strange assumption, since we all use the same technology and it is just matter of setting the flash or encoder parameter. Unlike twitch users, the cam girls tend to stream in 5+ sites in splitcam, that's killing the stream quality in most cases. Also each cam site is different, you talk like all are "bad", I agree some are, but all?
The point you make which is undeniable, it is the 50% cut. First of all, most of this cut it is due to affiliate and media buying, which twitch and youtube especially have not. As I wrote before, we offer 82% to models who bring the customer, so the cut it is only 18%, which if you do some math on the bank fees for adult accounts, does not include really a "profit" type of cut. I mean, you should compare twitch and youtube cut with a cam sites cut given you're both model+affiliate, this is not 50% cut but a 30%-18% cut depending on site. Try to setup yourself a page which streams video and bills people for it and transfers this billed amount to yours, and you'll discover you don't get 100% either, Epoch biller for example got a 15% fee, then you have fees to move $$ to a payoneer, paxum or whatever bank transfer that's 20% easily just of bank and cards fees. Not adding taxes there, in case you wish to pay any.
You say if you get naked, twitch, youtube and let me add, apple store, android google play store, facebook, most of the advertising networks, and paypal's and banks, do not want you. This issue it is true the same for a single cam model and for the cam site company.
Young Skywalker (Leia), the force is strong in you, but, let the old Yoda tell you how things really go, and why this situation is as frustrating for adult site owners.
You compare Twitch and Youtube with the adult cam sites. Let's compare better.
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/twitch#/entity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitch..._by_Amazon.com
Twitch (which could benefit from being in app stores, facebooks and mainstream ad networks) has been supported by significant investments of venture capital, with US$15 million in 2012 (on top of US$7 million originally raised for Justin.tv), and US$20 million in 2013. Could do partnerships with lots of brands. [Note that until that date, the company was not profitable, it just burned bankers money].
On August 25, 2014, it was announced that Amazon.com Inc. would acquire Twitch Interactive for US$970 million. [note: In 2015, Amazon surpassed Walmart as the most valuable retailer in the United States by market capitalization, revenue is $90 billion]. I suppose Amazon got credit card processing fees as low as 0.5% while adult sites get 10%+, also Amazon got hosting cost 100 times less than any normal company, since owns amazon web services.
Just to be sure they're no adult in any way: In May 2015, Twitch amended its terms of use, explicitly banning the streaming of games rated "Adults Only" (AO) by the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB).
Not even worth to mention YouTube as I believe everyone knows who Google is.
Adult cam sites, all of them, small or "big" (where big is anyway small compared to any of the above): they pay 10% billing fees instead of 1% just because "high risk", and many pay options are banned (American Express etc.). None adult site has been supported by any investment by any venture capital or bank, all should be setup by founder(s) private money only, and you could not even ask money to people as it is better if no one knows what you're doing anyway. None could stay up in loss for years in hope Amazon or Google will buy out, need to make profit from the start, or close, i.e. small fees for a service means the guys are in loss for years in wait to bank when they sell for $1 billion as twitch done.
Adult sites can not stay in loss for years, no one gives cash credit and no one buys out the site at the end, not for stellar amounts anyway. Adult cam sites can not have apps on iphone or google stores, can not do partnerships with any brand, can't have viral campaigns going on social sites (except a bit of twitter, but, twitter already set to ban adult, they all ban adult when big), all what you can do is buy adverts in porn tubes on rely on few affiliates who are in turn banned all the time because they post adult stuff around.
In short, if the twitch and youtube founders (same people, same good guys) had run a cam site instead, they had most surely ended up with 50% cut like others, which if you bring the customer yourself, is lowered to bare site costs 20%. Simple they was more smart and kept out of adult.