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Originally Posted by American Psycho
I've produced 200+ bdsm movies so yes i know about this.
"Going even one second past the call to stop is wrong."
BUT IS IT RAPE IN THE COMMON SENSE OF THE TERM?
I DONT THINK SO.
WRONG YES. RAPE IN THE COMMON SENSE? DEFINITELY NO.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CONSENTED FANTASY BEING PLAYED IS RAPE.
AND YES IT MATTERS WHAT LINE WAS CROSSED.
DID THE DOM CONTINUE FOR 1MIN OR DID DOM CONTINUE FOR 3HRS. MATTERS WHEN THROWING THE TERM RAPE AROUND AND LABELING SOMEONE AS A RAPIST.
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So when a model in one of your movies asks to stop and she uses her safe word what happens next? Do you stop, take a breath, think about how much more you are willing to pay for her to deliver the goods, gather your patience and start negotiating?
I went to the Max Hardcore school of Porn so I would also claim a certain knowledge and appreciation for the shades of grey.
So...
Are you thinking more about what the customers wants, your bottom line, the bills that need to be paid or are you thinking more about the well being and welfare of the model and the predicaments she or he may also be facing affecting the choices that weigh in on such a moment? You know, walking a mile in their moccasins, then sure, it might be shades of grey but only because you stopped when asked to stop.
But when it comes to using safe words...
Every single bdsm person I know, in the industry, out of the industry, every thing I have ever read, heard, researched, experienced in my own experimentation, everything and everyone stresses the importance of a safe word meaning "NO - STOP - STOP NOW". It is like that for a reason. With your background in shooting this type of content I am pretty shocked that you would be trying defend this as being a mistaken case of misunderstood consent. There is no grey when it comes to consent even in rape play. It is yes or no just like there is no sort of "pregnant". One second, one minute, hours, whatever. Time is not the issue at that point, just the degree to which the wrong is further committed.
When Max was accused of rape years ago, before he even established the Max character, models came to his defense. Are there any models coming to Deen's defense? Seems like just the opposite, including those actively and openly into this lifestyle.
Once again, I am not judging Deen or the women involved. I am just saying if she said stop and he didn't then it should be called what it is.