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Old 01-24-2016, 04:18 AM  
Paul Markham
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Originally Posted by woj View Post
There is nothing "complex" about the SS issues... the issue is pretty damn simple, it was passed as a program that people pay into, then get their $$ back in retirement...

... but then some brilliant socialist(s) came along, said "we have all this $$ in the SS fund, lets start paying it out"... in effect stealing the $$ from the fund that was supposed to to go for retirees that paid into it few decades later...

... that $$ is now long gone like a fart in the wind, so now more brilliant socialists are proposing to "fix" it by raising SS taxes and/or income limits... and then on top of that they try to muddy the water by calling the SS issue "complex", when it was simply theft by their socialist buddies that occurred few decades earlier that is the root of all the SS problems...
Can you give us examples of what SS payments were paid out to?

If it was paid out to hospitals, invalid benefits that's no problem. The money goes back into the US economy to keep those in real need alive and provide jobs for people who will buy from you.

If it was to fund a war overseas, it gives jobs to soldiers and arms producers. Funding farmers keeps the prices of food down. However if it was to go to a company to rebuild a plant in Iraq, it's lost.

If things like healthcare, private insurance against being made redundant because your job is now done by a girl in China or a migrant in the US or developing cancer. They will charge 100% more and try to find a loophole to not pay.

This whole debate is about How do we pay? Because for sure you have to pay.

Roads, police, fire, health, education, control of big business, pollution, industrial waste and as much as possible. Can go into the hands of private companies. And if anyone thinks that's better, I have a bridge to sell.

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what's wrong with paying for your own higher ed?
It excludes the best in favour of the richest.

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but that doesn't change a single thing, it still remains a fact that you can't trust the government to a run anything, including a simple program like SS...
Such as a pension run by a company or a Union in the pocket of the Mafia?

I read the article.

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The Social Security Amendments of 1983 laid the foundation for 30-years of federal embezzlement of Social Security money in order to use the money to pay for wars, tax cuts and other government programs. - See more at: Ronald Reagan and The Great Social Security Heist : FedSmith.com
So instead of ring-fencing the funds Governments robbed the people of their money. Reagan was a Republican, you might as well put a fox in charge of the henhouse.

Tax cuts do not stimulate an economy when the money is spent on imported goods. It puts money into the pockets of the 1%. That's something a 12-year-old would understand. And yet it's a message many don't get. The 1% understand it.
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