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Originally Posted by crucifissio
I never said ISIS is a colony, nor was that the point...look what I wrote
ISIS is actually trying to form a new country.
The USA had a constitution for white people, not injun' and black people and chineese or anybody else not white.<---valid point!
the first paragraph I have trouble with because you stole land...theft has nothing to do with rights, but has a lot to do with personal freedom...the freedom to steal 
the second paragraph completely disqualifies anything you said in the first...if it is selective freedom, just for "bros" then it means nothing...the nazis had a constitution too...freedom for the arians etc...ask the jews how progressive it was...
and yet marginal player USA lost just as much soldiers in WW2 as tiny shit hole white flag throwing yugoslavia 
american history= easiest target ever |
Ah, but the American Revolution wasn't about grabbing land. It wasn't a war against the Indians. Many of the founders were veterans of the French and Indian Wars, twenty years earlier, in which both the French and the English worked together as allies with various Native American tribes to fight the other. Even Benjamin Franklin served for awhile as a company commander in the English forces. Washington made a great reputation as a leader, and that's why the Continental Congress sought him out to lead the military. In the generation of the Revolution, the generation of the Founders, settlement over the mountains was just beginning, and that start was generally peaceful. You write about the Founders, that particular generation and that particular Revolution - but they simply were not men of ambition to conquer new land, but people of principle, influenced by free thinkers, conserving and protecting rights they felt to be natural. In no way did their philosophy - or their way of war - resemble that of ISIS. They fought to preserve their own rights against tyrrany. ISIS fights to conquer territory and inhabitants upon whom they force their will. Diametric opposites.
Well, you seem to be shifting your issues. It was about resemblance between the American Patriots and ISIS. Now it's about the Nazis, where these kinds of arguments all tend to devolve when the antagonist is losing the debate. In fact, you're wrong. The Nazis did not have a constitution, bill of rights, etc. After the Reichstag Fire, Hitler ruled by decree, as though it were martial law, by consent of the Reichstag. No one had inviolable rights, not Germans, not Austrians, not persons in the occupied nations. Not even the former aristocracy. The individual was subordinate in every way to the Leader's will, and the purposes and aims of the welfare of Das Volk as he saw it. So, the Patriots were also 180 from the Nazis.
There was no significant Chinese presence to exploit during the Revolution. Your attention seems to be drifting from the issues you raised. Americans didn't go about enslaving people, conducting expeditions to bring slaves to markets. We have the Dutch and the Brits who deserve most of the the credit. Whereas ISIS captures its own slaves and exploits them for every imaginable purpose. Our Patriot ancestors held slaves, as virtually the entire world did. That factoid does not establish a resemblance to the Nazis or to ISIS.
Let me know when the most cherished symbol of ISIS is a Liberty Bell and when its elected leader steps aside after two terms, when it prohibits the state from establishing religion, when it protects freedom of the press and freedom of speech, when it limits the government in searching property and arresting people, when it protects the right to legal counsel in criminal cases and guarantees a right to a jury trial of one's peers. If you see any similarity between the Patriot Founders and ISIS, I can only suggest to you that I persnonally know that Lenscrafters had some great coupons in the Sunday Chicago Trib.