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mikesouth · 02-15-2016, 05:22 PM

The crucial thing here is motivation without it college is a waste of time and money. back in the 80s I taught two classes at a local community college, Intro to UNIX and UNIX Internals. I loved it, I had classes FULL of adults who wanted to learn the material and even pushed my knowledge of the subject to new levels...I taught at night.

One of the teachers who taught the same classes in the day invited me to sit in, i did and I can tell you the difference was night and day, his class size was similar but much younger, it was obvious that roughly 1/3 of the class wanted to learn the material but were completely held back by another third that was just there for something to do or because the curriculum required it and and another third that were under educated, ill prepared and had no desire whatsoever to learn the material...It reminded me of high school.

Needless to say it illustrated a huge difference, my adults were in my class because they WANTED to be, they wanted to learn it and that made teaching it both fun and rewarding.

So to give a college education to someone who wants to learn, I am all for it, but to waste time, money and the quality of the education of the ones who want to learn it on some kid who is simply there because he/she has to be is a big mistake.

The right way to do it is to make it free if you make an A r a B in the class, anything else and you pay for it....maybe like a student loan is set up now, you start the class owing the money, make an A or a B and the debt is wiped clean.

The idea that just providing a free college education has value is ludicrous that thinking is the bane of the public school system and the reason why we have so many functional illiterates with high school diplomas, free is fine if it actually accomplishes something...I can even make an argument that there is added value, that the money spent comes back to the government and or the community making it a good investment....BUT...If all it does is provide free day care for an extra 4-8 years...my tax dollars can be better spent.

02-15-2016, 05:22 PM
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	The crucial thing here is motivation without it college is a waste of time and money. back in the 80s I taught two classes at a local community college, Intro to UNIX and UNIX Internals. I loved it, I had classes FULL of adults who wanted to learn the material and even pushed my knowledge of the subject to new levels...I taught at night. One of the teachers who taught the same classes in the day invited me to sit in, i did and I can tell you the difference was night and day, his class size was similar but much younger, it was obvious that roughly 1/3 of the class wanted to learn the material but were completely held back by another third that was just there for something to do or because the curriculum required it and and another third that were under educated, ill prepared and had no desire whatsoever to learn the material...It reminded me of high school. Needless to say it illustrated a huge difference, my adults were in my class because they WANTED to be, they wanted to learn it and that made teaching it both fun and rewarding. So to give a college education to someone who wants to learn, I am all for it, but to waste time, money and the quality of the education of the ones who want to learn it on some kid who is simply there because he/she has to be is a big mistake. The right way to do it is to make it free if you make an A r a B in the class, anything else and you pay for it....maybe like a student loan is set up now, you start the class owing the money, make an A or a B and the debt is wiped clean. The idea that just providing a free college education has value is ludicrous that thinking is the bane of the public school system and the reason why we have so many functional illiterates with high school diplomas, free is fine if it actually accomplishes something...I can even make an argument that there is added value, that the money spent comes back to the government and or the community making it a good investment....BUT...If all it does is provide free day care for an extra 4-8 years...my tax dollars can be better spent. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.