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Eon, there's no reason for you to get so upset and defensive. Nasa scientists say too much CO2 in the atmosphere is a bad thing, and you don't have to look too hard to see the damage caused by the fossil fuel industry. If you think they are wrong just like you think the new policies coming to Ontario are wrong, then what do you suggest?
What I hope that you do though is do some research. But don't search for things that serve your conceived notions first. Instead, try looking for the real cost of fossil fuels, the damage caused by it, the health problems etc, and then ask yourself if there isn't a better way.
Or if you want, lets try to be constructive about the problem. You think going green is a problem, I say staying black is a problem. You say CO2 is good for plants, I say CO2 creates global warming, while agreeing with you about plants. (By the way, Methane is also a greenhouse gas, but plants don't like it much).
We can dance together about this all night long, but neither one of us is going to get laid. So instead, lets leave the name-calling out, and try putting some constructive ideas forward. You don't like the Ontario plan? Fine. What do you suggest instead?
Peace.
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Sigh.
Here we go with whole NASA thing again. NASA should stick to what it is supposed to do - launch shit into space. It's pretty sad that American astronauts have to hitch a ride on Russian rockets to get into space yet NASA has no trouble convincing people like you that CO2 is evil and a 1 degree temperature increase is going to kill us all. Talk about losing focus.
What of the damage caused by the fossil fuel industry? Is it really any worse than the damage caused by the lithium mining industry? The molybdenum mining industry? The rare earth mineral mining industry? The palm oil industry? The wind turbine industry?
Here you go - enjoy being a "green" hypocrite:
The Worst Place on Earth
Do you enjoy living a comfortable modern life? If so then thank the fossil fuel industry because a your comfortable modern life is not possible without it. If you think it is go for it.
I have taken issue with you before about talking down to people. Don't do it. Don't tell me to do research as if to imply that you are better or smarter than me. Don't tell me that "Methane" is also a greenhouse gas and plants don't like it much. You insult me more by taking me for an idiot with comments like that than I have ever insulted you with "name calling". And don't capitalize methane.
I have been following and researching this topic for 25+ years. I was once exactly like you and it is through my own research that I came to see things differently. Maybe you should do some research outside of NASA and the NOAA. "But don't search for things that serve your conceived notions first". Try looking for the real cost of a world without fossil fuels, the mass starvation, the freezing in the cold, the lighting of rooms by candle light. (Oops sorry - candles are not permitted because they emit CO2). Is it really humanity you care about or only your own sense of virtue?
And I never said going green is a problem. I said cutting CO2 is
not going green. CO2
is green. Period.
As for what Ontario should do instead? Honestly, Ontario should be building new nuclear or hydroelectric power plants instead of bird and bat chopping wind farms. They should be trying to provide electricity as cheaply as possible to promote economic growth and paying down the provincial debt. And they should stop worrying about the mythological "carbon footrptint".
FYI - debt servicing in Ontario now consumes almost 10% of the annual budget - $11 billion a year. It is the fastest growing budget item outpacing both health and education. And this is at low interest rates. A rise in interest rates will be catastrophic.
Do you honestly think that broke ass people living in a broke ass province will be able to afford electric cars, electric heat, carbon taxes or even basic electricity? Only wealthy people can afford to be "green". Poor people cannot.
Lastly if you can't see that this whole thing is politically dictated then there is no hope for you. Your best bet is to go work for NASA and become another one of the hapless drones that dare not speak out against the mandated dogma for fear of losing your cushy pay check.
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