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Originally Posted by EonBlue
Sigh.
Here we go with whole NASA thing again. NASA should stick to what it is supposed to do - launch shit into space. It's pretty sad that American astronauts have to hitch a ride on Russian rockets to get into space yet NASA has no trouble convincing people like you that CO2 is evil and a 1 degree temperature increase is going to kill us all. Talk about losing focus.
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Nasa's ability to "launch shit into space" means that Satellites can give us views of the earth that we normally do not see. All of those instruments can measure the earth and its atmosphere and changes over time that show us in detail what is going on. Nasa hasn't lost any focus. Your tax dollars are paying for the information they are gathering. You can debate it if you want, but you shouldn't ignore it or dismiss it.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
What of the damage caused by the fossil fuel industry?
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Seriously?
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Google is your friend.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
Is it really any worse than the damage caused by the lithium mining industry? The molybdenum mining industry? The rare earth mineral mining industry? The palm oil industry? The wind turbine industry?
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Of course there are some environmental costs to all types of energy gathering, but those types need to be explored because the cost of fossil fuels is extremely high. The price you pay at the pump for gasoline is not the full cost.
But since you bring it up, Yes fossil fuels are worse than wind. A Single wind turbine can produce 750 kW that can power over 200-300 homes. All with no air emissions, no fuel to mine, no fuel to transport, no fuel to store, no cooling water, and no waste.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
Do you enjoy living a comfortable modern life? If so then thank the fossil fuel industry because a your comfortable modern life is not possible without it. If you think it is go for it.
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I never said that fossil fuels need to be completely removed. No one thinks that. What needs to be done is to have fossil fuels be used more cleanly and more efficiently. Using fossil fuels to heat homes and power cars is inefficient and wasteful, that's all.
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Originally Posted by EonBlue
I have taken issue with you before about talking down to people. Don't do it. Don't tell me to do research as if to imply that you are better or smarter than me. Don't tell me that "Methane" is also a greenhouse gas and plants don't like it much. You insult me more by taking me for an idiot with comments like that than I have ever insulted you with "name calling". And don't capitalize methane.
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Eon, you have called me several names in this thread alone, and I have called you no names at all. You and I are having a discussion about your original post. You stated your opinion that you strongly disagree with Ontario's decision to move forward to reduce emissions, and called it suicide. You even named me in your original post, and challenging me to lend my comments on your topic, so here I am.
I am offering my opinion too, which you have invited by posting, which I am allowed to give. I feel strongly about my opinion just as you feel strongly about yours, but it doesn't mean that it should devolve into a fight my friend.
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I have been following and researching this topic for 25+ years. I was once exactly like you and it is through my own research that I came to see things differently. Maybe you should do some research outside of NASA and the NOAA. "But don't search for things that serve your conceived notions first". Try looking for the real cost of a world without fossil fuels, the mass starvation, the freezing in the cold, the lighting of rooms by candle light. (Oops sorry - candles are not permitted because they emit CO2). Is it really humanity you care about or only your own sense of virtue?
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As I said earlier, there will always be a place for gas, oil, coal, and fossil fuels. My... point... my... reason for arguing I guess you could say, is that I love technology, and because of that, I think there is always a better way to do things - a more efficient way. That's all dude - there's no need to get so upset all the time.