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Deforestation is the problem. Not CO2.
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No, BOTH are the problem. We are pumping way too much greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, and there is not enough trees and plants to absorb it.
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Stop cutting down forests to plant crops to be used as biofuels to reduce CO2.
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Agreed! Cutting forests to make farms is ridiculous, and biofuels never made sense to me either. See dude? We can agree on some things.
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I can't understand how a supposedly intelligent guy like yourself does not see the lunacy inherent in some of the positions you support.
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More insults? Eon you have insulted and jabbed at me about 10 times in this thread, and again I never once took a jab back at you. Come on man...
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CO2 does not have an infinite capacity to absorb and re-emit radiation. It has already maxed out the amount it can absorb. Adding more to the atmosphere will have zero effect.
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Greenhouse Gas Emissions: Causes & Sources
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Yes lets leave them with destroyed economies, unreliable and unnafordable energy and no chance for a financially secure and stable future because we destroyed all of that trying to get rid of a harmless trace gas.
Makes sense.
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No one wants that, but of course that is a part of the challenge. How do you move the world off of dangerous and polluting forms of energy to a cleaner source of energy without disrupting the economy? It's a problem that only people smarter than you and me can figure out, but it doesn't stop us from speculating and coming up with new ideas.
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The oceans are not acidic they are alkaline. A slight decrease in alkalinity does not make them acidic.
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What is Ocean Acidification?
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Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the pH of surface ocean waters has fallen by 0.1 pH units. Since the pH scale, like the Richter scale, is logarithmic, this change represents approximately a 30 percent increase in acidity
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And no CO2 is not killing the oceans.
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From the same article at
What is Ocean Acidification?
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studies have shown that a more acidic environment has a dramatic effect on some calcifying species, including oysters, clams, sea urchins, shallow water corals, deep sea corals, and calcareous plankton. When shelled organisms are at risk, the entire food web may also be at risk.
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And if the oceans are warming as much as you say then they will be out-gassing CO2 and not absorbing it. In fact the oceans may very well the source of much of the "excess" CO2 you worry about since it has been proven then rising CO2 follows rising temperatures, not the other way around.
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I see what you are trying to say but I think you are forgetting something. The ocean naturally absorbs some CO2, and maybe releases some too I'm not sure. The natural cycle adds and removes CO2 to keep a balance; humans add extra CO2 without removing any. This my friend is the basic source of the problem.
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I have studied geology and climate - in university. And I've been closely following both sides of this debate since then - not just one side like yourself.
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It's very cool that you have studied that. I am impressed. I don't think its fair for you to call me one-sided though. As I've said in the past, I think getting rid of fossil fuels is impossible, and probably unnecessary. All I want to see is better use of energy. Driving and heating with electrons instead of carbon molecuels *where possible* makes lots of sense to me. That my friend Eon, is my base belief, nothing more.
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Anyways, I am done with this topic with you. It's a waste of time and I don't have time to waste. You can get the last word in if you like but I'm certain it will just be more of the same.
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Again, you don't need to be insulting, and this time does not need to be a waste. Talking about subjects like these is a good excuse to research and learn about new things. I encourage you do do this too.
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This thread was supposed to be about the suicidal economic policy on Ontario based on bad science and not the bad science itself.
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The science isn't bad - its the policy thats bad, and they should know it. They shouldn't try to push electricity down peoples throats, especially when its so expensive in Ontario. They should get the price down and get people to WANT to switch.
I'm done too on the subject. I enjoyed talking to you about it. Please don't insult me anymore, ok? It's uncalled for. Hand-shake?