Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We have fucked ourselves over and over in the ME just like the Roman and British Empires did. Only the locals Nebuchadnezzar, Darius and the Mohammedan Ottomans had any successes.

This is the same as Vietnam -- the French and Americans were driven out. Vietnam worked out OK but there is new conflict with the Chinese and the Vietnamese. Let them work it out -- we can move our factories to India or Africa if it gets messy.

Let the UN bicker over the world's problems. We don't have to be total isolationists but we need to look out after our own best interests. We can attempt true diplomatic relations with the world but not try to manipulate less powerful nations internal affairs. We do not have to really -- we can totally immolate them if need be There is no need to coerce. Mutual respect is a much better foreign policy. Not banning immigration after being the cause of migration.

Maybe, if America didn't try to fuck with the world so much the world would not fuck back

Maybe, I have moved my position away from bully tactics -- we see they don't work and pay with our blood. It's not like we can't turn the whole ME into a glass parking lot -- we should be smart enough not to put ourselves into the position to want to.

We (the US) is cutting off it's own nose to spite it's face -- utterly stupid.