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Old 08-28-2016, 11:00 AM  
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Minimum Social Security and ssi is $733 (ssi) + ?
Average Social Security is $1,180
Maximum Social Security is $2,366

Median Social Security payment is a bit higher
$14,535/annually (close to the federal poverty rate).

Income from Social Security | Pension Rights Center

So, there is a large net deficit.
  1. Either you increase the basic minimum payment to the retired, or you;
  2. chump the pensioners out of their payroll tax for Social Security of over 40years and reduce Social Security benefits;
  3. or income qualify the recipients.
Maybe, only 5% of retirees would have their benefits reduced but they paid the most in usually.

Is that a fair deal? Not going to happen. Anyone receiving over the basic minimum wage will be exempted from the scheme. So ...

In 2015, over 59 million Americans will receive almost $870 billion in Social Security benefits. Count them out -- they get SSA SSI and no basic income.

less
59*12000
708 000 000 000 Untouched

GA Welfare is another 480 000 000 replaced by replaced by basic income. That is a large increase in payments.
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Welfare Statistics Data
Total number of Americans receiving welfare 67,891,000
Total number of Americans on SNAP ? food stamps 41,700,000
Total number of Americans receiving SSI ? unemployment insurance 10,200,000
Percent of the US population on welfare programs 22.38 %
Total Federal government spending on welfare programs annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $158,200,000,000
Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain

Take a hypothetical family of four -- they get

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What is an average welfare check?
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Quick Answer

Welfare payments vary by state, but the average family of four in the United States can receive as much as $900 per month. A single person may receive as much as $200 per month. Continue Reading
4*$1,000 a month.( $12K/yr) =$4,000 /mo compared to $900 /mo WTF?

These numbers are without Medicare or Medicaid.

The savings you suggest (woj) are minimal.

Those charts I made above ^ of GNI Growth clearly show that countries with high taxation and social benefits are stagnant or below average GNI Growth countries. Hey, Paul where is CZ -- they are not listed by the World Bank -- maybe the numbers are too embarrassing to show IDK.

This is a breed new recipients scheme -- every new baby is worth $12K per year -- to who? The whole idea is ludicrous.
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