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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd
Your statement is way to well thought out for the average Trumper. Not saying you are in any way obviously, I am saying that they are unaware of these processes in their own mind.
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They themselves don't have to be aware of it
And while not exactly a 'Trumper', I see him as the better result, for reasons way too long-winded to go into here, and I struggle for the most part to write concisely - in a conversation I'd go through it, but here I don't have the time/inclination to try and put it into the written word. Suffice it to say I'm not a bigot, racist, misogynist, and all the other things 90% of the left assume Trump voters and/or supporters are. I voted for Brexit despite being none of those things, as I'm sure many millions of others did, but the hard left can't fathom there'd be a reason other than those - it's an alien concept to them that some don't like the utter control that mass bureaucracy brings, the hatred of cronyism, the hypocrisy, double-talk, PC jargon, failure to understand that it's about compromise instead of a utopian wet dream where everyone loves each other and can integrate seamlessly, and a hundred other things. The left ignore that, and look at 'institutionalised racism/sexism' as to why-oh-why do the intellectually inferior vote the 'wrong' way.
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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd
The left can be too intellectual and judgemental. My first sentence may be just that. However I know very few, maybe no educated well traveled experienced people that don't see the danger in him. I see plenty of people who don't understand history, don't fact check anything and whose critical thinking is extremely poor who see no danger.
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And this is why Brexit happened, and why it's so close now in the US. The issue is not that they don't see a certain amount of 'danger', the issue is that they are sick of being ignored, being lied to, being told to do as we say not as we do. People aren't idiots, it's folly to dismiss the so-called 'right' as such.
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I agree with a lot of what you said though. However, Brexit is small potatoes compared to a U.S. leader hinting to jail his opponent, change the laws to muffle the media as well as stoking the flames to suggest the cancellation of shows like SNL only after they speak poorly of him to an excess. The isms are not important compared to those three. Is it rhetoric? Is it worth finding out what he can do with a willing Attorney General, Federal Communication Commission and Supreme Court that owe him? I think it is clear now that millions, yes millions of people will follow him blindly on his word alone. How far will they go? Is it worth finding out?
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Not sure you were fully clued up on just what a shitfest Brexit was, and how the media spun the same kind of slant on Farage - portraying him as a stupid but hitler-esque character, taking things out of context (as did the other side, and as do both sides in the US in this campaign), and so on. And yet, people today are still looking at the intellectual facets (that don't exist) to 'explain' how such a 'wrong' decision was made by the 'idiot' public. Trump puts his foot in his mouth regularly (as did Farage actually), but people actually trust the blunders over the sheer calculated scheming of the establishment, as we saw with Brexit, as we are seeing in other Euro countries, and as we are seeing in the US, regardless of the outcomes, the numbers are there. That speaks volumes, and due to the nature of humans, half(ish) the population of each country is going to be left saying w t f, what the hell is wrong with the others.
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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd
He has executed the recipe for past atrocities perfectly. Blame others that aren't like you, tell you that the good times will return if you keep THEM out, kick THEM out and take away THEIR rights and the people that disagree cannot be trusted and lie 100% of the time. It is a recipe that works. What is his end game? Is it worth finding out?
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Both parties do this, you could keep that word for word about Clinton and the democrats and the observation would still be correct. Which is actually part of the reason I alluded to earlier, in my feeling that a Trump victory would be better in the long run, even if it does equate to a shitty short term. Tbh, I think he may have shaken it up enough already, for sure the republicans need to change a lot to remain a viable opposition, and regardless of anyone's political stance, a good opposition is crucial. To remove at least a meaningful amount of the cronyism, disregard for the actual people, and so on from both parties would be a godsend - it's whether that can be achieved without a Trump victory or not that remains to be seen.
Sorry to ramble haha, my writing has never been a strong suit of mine, which is why I hardly ever bother having real discussions online. Off to revert back to flippant one-liners on here, and exagerrated rants on facebook
and honestly, no dig at you or any other of what I'd call my left-leaning buddies.. I do get your views/concerns
