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Originally Posted by charlie g
I am sure you are a nice person so I am not going to flame you. I will try to make this as simple as I can so you may understand.
Everyone got their vote. There are winners and losers in every contest. The losers in this election had the opinion that trump is a racist, homophobe, xenophobe and whatever else the establishment could throw at him. The clinton campaign, through their allies in the media, established the premise that trump was all these bad things and pounded it everyday on cnn, msnbc, nyt and any other rag they had in their clutches. They twisted his words every chance they could get to reinforce their premise. You see, clinton could not run on accomplishment or even virtue because she has none. Her only chance to win was to make trump more evil than herself. So after 6 months of the constant barrage of "news" and "expert opinion" coming from these "trusted news services", a certain segment of the population believed clinton campaign's premise, donald trump is a misogynistic, homophobic bigot with no control of his temper.
If you want to prove if my theory is right or wrong, ask any clinton supporter you meet 3 simple questions and listen to them try to answer.
1. What has clinton accomplished in her public life that warrants my vote for her?
2. Do you think clinton is an honest person?
3. what has trump done or said that is racist?
The answer to #1 always involves trump and he is dangerous and racist and blah blah blah. The reality is hillary has no accomplishments in her public life. she was first lady. she had an unimpressive stint in the US senate. she lost a presidential bid. she did not do a good job in the SoS office(being VERY kind here).
The answer to #2 is usually clinton is more honest than trump. Trump is no beacon of honesty, but clinton has been in constant scandal since her arkansas days. wikileaks exposed who she is and what she does for all those that actually cared to see.
the answer to #3 is always trump said mexicans are rapists.Trump never said mexicans were all criminals and rapists. He said we have people crossing the borders and we dont know who they are. He said some are rapists and murderers, and those must be deported immediately. he said that illegals here with family and roots would not be deported, that families would not be torn apart. He also said the wall would be put up to stop the illegal immigration and then those illegals already here would be dealt with, murders and rapists(criminals) would be deported. I do not think this is racist, it is just good common sense.
As far as world leaders go, I say fuck them. The ones disparaging trump fall into 2 categories. The first are people that get their information from cnn. If you hear it enough or read it enough, it must be true. The second category are people that have ulterior motives involving a clinton presidency. Whether people want to admit it or not, there is a segment of world leaders who are of the mindset that a more centralized world government is a better system than individual national sovereignty. I am not a conspiracy theorist but I can recognize this push post ww2. These people wanted clinton because she holds their views.
America has spent more than $4.6 trillion fighting wars in the middle east since 2001. Almost 8,000 US soldiers have died in the middle east, and 50,000+ have been wounded. Estimates of Muslims killed in the region are from 1.2-4 million people. Meanwhile, 15% of all american live below the poverty line and the real unemployment rate is almost 10%. 45million people receive food stamps. There is a real problem with infrastructure in the US as spending has hit 45 year lows.
The US has major problems internally. We need someone to focus on fixing this country before we worry about what the italian pm thinks or what natiliek thinks. the pope can fuckoff, let him take down the wall around the vatican if what he says he actually believes. I seriously doubt they would even consider it, but that's par for the course with that group.
Trump may not be the man to fix these problems. But he identified the problems and lots of Americans responded. Sorry world, the US needs to clean it's own room before it can come back out to play.
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The problem is, Trump still wants to spend more money on military, this would include weapons & yet, this money could have been spent on the countries health service or infrastructure many years ago.
I've heard this many time son FB, how America's spent a lot of time, money and energy, many lives lost, in the East, as has Britain, Russia and some other european countries with NATO, of course, not so much, but then, it's been the USA wanting to be involved. The British SAS had Hussain in their sight for many years, asked to back off by USA because the US wanted him on take down.
And of course, don't get me wrong, I appreciate everyone's life that's been lost for our freedoms. Both my partner & my grandfathers have fought in wars and my brother in law is a tank driver in the afgan war.
It's such a shame to hear some Trump supporters with their religious phobias, when you say how many Americans have killed so many Muslims, and yet there are many Muslims in the American military...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim...tates_military
I know you mean ISIS or the Taliban, but Muslims? You can't say Americans and Muslims, Muslim is a religion not a race.
This thread was not about the wars or Hillary, it's about how Dirty Don's changed his views over Obama & Obamacare, & generally asking, if Donald Trump changes nothing, is he going to be a martyr and will he be hated more than other leaders for one, saying all the racist and sexist statements he had & two, for not keeping to his policies and promises.