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Originally Posted by kane
I think there is a pretty big difference between doing things that could cause one candidate to get a few hundred additional votes and flat out ignoring laws that could lead to millions of fraudulent votes.
Actually, that is my point in all of this. In both elections involving Bush there were issues. First in Florida then in Ohio. In both cases small amounts of fraud could help the candidate win that state in a very close election. If it were a general election the fraud, in order to be helpful, would have to be on a much larger scale and therefore, in my opinion, easier to see and stop.
As far as Ohio 2 people were arrested, convicted, and sent to jail for rigging the election. Ohio Sec. State Blackwell has been involved in more than a dozen various lawsuits stemming from that election.
On a different note, let's look at my state. Hillary won Oregon easily. I personally know half a dozen people who are Republicans or right-leaning independents who didn't even bother to vote because they didn't think it would matter. Their vote for Trump wasn't going to change the outcome of the election. If it were a general election, their vote would matter and they would be more likely to actually vote. I wonder how many people around the country feel that same way and are not voting because their state is dark red or dark blue.
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you bring up a good point about the fact that many people end up not voting in states that are way blue or way red... deciding winner by popular vote would solve that problem, but at the same time it would concentrate all the political power in a few major cities, leaving rural areas and smaller states practically powerless...
so it's debatable which way is better, but if it worked fine for few hundred years, why change it now? Isn't a good rule of thumb "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Isn't the main reason why there is drama is because Hillary won popular vote? what if election results were reversed, would you still think it's a good idea, or would you lean towards keeping what worked for few hundred years as is?
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Originally Posted by kane
One other thing. Ohio has 20 electoral votes. Bush won 286 to 251. If Ohio had flipped it would have been Kerry with 271 and the win.
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yea, you are right, I looked at it wrong, Ohio did indeed in a way decide the election...
