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Old 12-05-2016, 11:49 PM  
Paul Markham
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No, this is not true, and its extreme over generalizing. I'm a liberal, but there are some good republicans / conservatives and some good republican things out there too. Republicans, back in the day, created the EPA for example.

The big problem with saying this, is that your thinking is based more on passion, and less on true detail, or true science, or true policy, etc.
So why are most of us getting poorer, our countries into deeper debt, while the Third World has all the fast growing economies.



By the measurement you posted.



Only the top 10% are keeping ahead.

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The fact that a complete idiot like Donald Trump winning the election proves to me that democracy, at least in the US, is alive and well. Yes he lied and cheated and bullshitted his way in, but he still did it.
Agreed. It wasn't until he won because the people voted in are picked for you by the elite via their control of the money/donations.



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Very true. They probably fucked alot of people over to get where they are, but the laws and legal system allowed it to happen. Should loopholes be closed? Yes. Should taxes on the ultra rich be increased? Yes. Ronald Regan started it all with his "Trickle-down" BS and it all happened thanks to democracy. The thing though, is that the same democratic process can undo it.
Agreed. Taxing the rich is hard if the rich are allowed to move their money where they choose.


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I'd argue that its more about getting and acumulating energy, and fighting proxy wars. But I agree with your statement too.
We need to get off oil as much as possible. Renewable energy is the future. Especially in places like Southern Europe/US. Wind farms as well can save huge amounts of oil.


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It's good that we are now trading with our former enemies instead of fighting them. What needs to be done is to fix the various trade deficits by voting for governments that will protect jobs and balance everything else out too.
We should never have been fighting them in the first place. As for trade, balance trade so they have to buy as much as they want to sell. Or face high tariffs.

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China already earned the badge of #1 economy back in 2014. The US is far behind on lots of other things (Canada too). Education for example.
My opoint is how did they do it and what was the cost to the West?


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Agreed. This needs to change somehow, but I know its not a simple process. Trump's super-simplified and stupid 35% tax-threat is not even close to a step in the right direction.
Taxing imports to remove the benefits of workers on 10% of what a Western worker expects is the only way. Or balance trade.

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You have to make it attractive for companies to stay in their home countries without creating economic or other burdens elsewhere. Furthremore it won't be an instant fix. Policy changes to fix the situation will take a long time to implement and probably proceed slowly to allow companies, customers and the economy to adept.
How do you make it more attractive?


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It has! But this is really 2 different things. Related, but different.
Then explain why.

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Yes! no! Sort of! It can defiantly happen to either side, but - its not exactly fair to blame the parties, or to just "give up". Vote!
Yes, Yes, Yes. Otherwise, the gap would be levelling while one side is in power. We should not give up. We need to vote out the clowns who are doing it to us. In Europe, the rise of the Far Right has shocked the Establishment. The problem is the Establishment are the creators of the rise of the Far Right. Politicians have to fear the electorate, not visa versa.
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