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Originally Posted by Paul Markham
I quoted what you wrote.
The word "media buyer" represents someone who is buying media. The word "trafic buyer" represents someone who is buying traffic. Then looking at stats to see how they monetise it.
Agreed. Because traffic buying is now a numbers game there's no space for marketing.
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You are right that in 1998 people had no idea what was happening and where customers were coming from.
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and they did not know what to offer them because they did not have the knowledge and the tools for it and last not least not that mass of traffic what is needed to get informations fast and reliable.
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You keep using words that really don't apply. Generating means creating not redirecting. Marketing means showing how the product meets market needs. Not copy and pasting then uploading as much free porn as possible.
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a tube site IS a product - a produc what is made for free users financed by advertisers what can sell whatever on that sites if they are smart enough.
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I know how the world has changed. Giving away something free to sell ad space is the now and future. The only problem with porn is we give away porn to sell porn.
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what is TV doing? do they charge for watching a movie? yes some of the do but that revenue what is made with that are peanuts. the big money comes from advertising and this is like that in ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD.
porn is entertainment and entertainment is a chance to sell. but you can not think that you only can sell horses in a wild wild wet movie.
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How many were giving away the product they sell in the ratios we do?
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well how many we get in for it?
WITH porn (as entertainment magnet) is much more made today as it was in the good old times. but there is no reason to sell scrambled eggs on a free breakfast buffet. but the free breakfast buffet will bring so many people who do spend more as this 0,25% porn budget.
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I would be shocked if there were any porn guys there. Now we have to discuss what a porn guy is. You or me? How many porn movies have you made? A man selling eggs isn't a chicken. How much porn do you sell from the traffic you buy?
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well i did a few movies as a producer but that was just for beiing curious how that part is done. it was never my goal to be a porn producer - i was always a marketer.
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Are you a gambling, dating, cars, tires, phones, etc. Traffic seller
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you missundertand the point. there is NO gambling, dating, cars, tires or phones traffic.
there are people with different needs on porn sites. they do not wank the whole day. they are 100% consumers of whatever. but this whatever is FAR MORE then the money they spend in porn.
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How much is based on porn movie sales?
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less than 10% - but 90% is made WITH FREE MOVIES on other products.
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Sex sells but not very well when it's given away for free.
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Sex sold in the human history already all. starting from fashion til parfumes and furniture.
sex is the most used intrument to sell products all over the planet.
porn is the reason why people come to websites with waht else can you get such masses?
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I don't see many people advertising porn sites on sites that sell traffic. Apart from Cams, then there up against sites like Live Jasmin who will buy direct. Here's the problem.
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well then give me this sites in my portfolio - i have more than enough advertisers who love to advertise there.
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Why pay someone 50%-20% to buy traffic, crunch the numbers when it can be done in-house for a lot less? This is the present and future. Big companies already employ Ad Buyers who can do the job cheaper to send traffic direct to their sites. Even if affiliates send traffic to their site where they can market the products, the loss of traffic is too big and the cut insane.
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if one does not have a clue of what he is doing you are right.
but there are finally people out there who are professional in that. and they make on their investment every month in average 20% ROI.
go to a bank and ask them if they can give you 240% interest.
so the question is here only HOW BIG can you invest and HOW SMART you are.
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Also, the company can tweak their site to help the Ad Buyer's department achieve the highest ratio. Especially in Cams and Dating. Traffic pricing is governed by the price the buyer is willing to pay. So the sellers maintain the highest price.
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i see that you do not really have a clue what this business is.
I have buyers in my network they would love to buy from me - but in GEOs where i do not have sufficient traffic.
they want to spend 100 K per month because to maintain a campaign with 100K makes the same work as one for 10 k.
do you really think that many publisher out there have such high volumes ?
AND: is a webmaster who is generating (or creating traffic) such a easy job to do another one? have you ever looked in a big trafficbroker company how many people are working ther with the advertisers? there are hunderts of them - and THIS can be done from a webmaster? no - for sure not!
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Others can help me here, do FB, Google, Twitter, etc. Deal direct or go through middlemen? How long before the big Tubes deal direct with the few big porn, cams, dating sites? How long the traffic minnows survive in that game is a big question.
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well this "traffic game" is at least the only one in our industrie what is growing in the past years. without this traffic game the industry would be gone already because most of the revenues from the past years are NOT from porn but GOING into pornsites.
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You're not an affiliate, you're selling traffic. And trying to talk up the game. To make more sales.
See signature for a better deal.
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how you know that i am not an affiliate? i have around 2000 affilaite websites out there what are still making money - but they are not worth to spend my day with it.
i have fun when i can work with masses of traffic and see within an hour what ads are converting with what landeringpages. this canīt be done on any of these affiliate pages because it would take years to get those informations from a handful of users.
the difference between you and me is, that you do not see the consumer in a porn user.
and while i write this i see a tv spot in a music show what is promoting fresh milk but i can not see one spot what is selling music there.
greetings
thommy