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Thommy gets the bigger picture -- porn sites are commoditized but the user traffic is of value to others 
If everybody gave away free widgets this does not mean there are no buyers for someone else's gadgets.
Unfortunately, much of the free commoditized content is also someone else's "stolen content." At some point -- there won't be anything left to steal. And at that point this scheme will collapse however the buyers are still going to be out there just somewhere else with a new content model.
An affiliate is just the contracted agent of the principal -- a sales referral agent. As song as the referrals are of a lawful nature -- money is money. Paid advertising is just another revenue model -- get over it. These are integral to building a content approval base of users -- branding. |
100% agree on that and i do not talk about sites with stolen content, because i think that is why paul is so allergic on the word "tubesite".
@mechanicvirus: I am not getting defendiv - i do not even speak for MY business model (what might be completely different to the business models you are talking about). I just do not understand why some people always try to get yesterday back and do not see the goals of today.
I know hundersts of producers who where fighting an unsuccessful war against the tubes, loosing a lot of time and money with it. and i know hunderts of other producers who realized that they still can make money with their work. Maybe they canīt live from selling a video 10 times but they are able to sell it now 500 times.
@ SpicyM
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1. TVs actually BUY rights to broadcast films and shows legally
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why are you talking about stolen content? I did not!
And I can show you tonns of memebrsites who have stolen content in their members areas (because it is not that obvious that everyone can see it).
I know MANY tubesite what are spending every month more money in content licences as most of the member programms do in a year.
so do not missmatch a legal free business model with an illegal model what i can show you in every business model of the industry.
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2. TVs reach broad audience with broad age span and broad preferences + they have "slightly" better credibility than a porn site with anal prolapse / cum gagging / interracial midget fucking videos on its main page
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oh you think porn users are an own species with no other needs than porn?
well - i think you should research a bit deeper before you make yourself a clown.
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3. TVs are under control of local agencies and if they broadcasted ads that break laws they would be fined - if this applied to TUBEs so they only advertised non-misleading ads the rates per 1k views would be 100x lower because at current rates they would not be worthy for people with honest business and real product.
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i see that you really have NO CLUE of what i am talking about.
the problem of all this missleading shit is called CPM !!!!!
this is also the reason why most of this websites you are talking about will never get the chance to see a cent from other budgets.
and i will tell you why:
1. CPM advertisement is cutting the one and only advantage of internet advertising off. This advantage is called "the action". no other media in the world have this advantage to follow a users reaction and make a business model from it.
2. if an advertiser have to pay for the view he will have costs if a user clicks or not. that leads him to a wrong strategy to just getting the click and not the buyers real interest.
if he does not set up the fake-ad his competitor will do it and he end up with no clicks.
3. if an advertiser just pays the view he have to advertise in an audience where he can assume, that that biggest part of the audience would buy his product. he can NEVER advertise on a website where 95% of the users will definately not do that.
that leads to the fact, that CPM ads will always try to reach the same instinct what is assumed to the websites content. it will NEVER work with other products than that.
as i SAW this problem already many years ago and also could see how CPMs dropped in the past 15 years i realized that this is completely wrong what is done here.
I tried since 1997 to get regular advertisers on porn sites and i got a million kicks in my ass since that time.
When I made trafficfabrik there was just one thing 100% clear for me:
I would NOT WORK WITH CPM for the upper mentioned reasons.
The result I can see now is, that we are going into the right direction. We DO HAVE already a big number of advertisers what are NOT promoting porn on our sites and getting effective.
the one and only secret to get success with that is
a. to know that this advertising will show up in a mixed group of consumers with VERY different needs. so maybe 5% of this group is willing to buy product XYZ.
b. if an advertiser want to reach this group of people and have only costs on the click - he will not be so stupid to set up a fakebanner because than he will lose.
c. no publisher would sell his adspots to anybody who pays him on clicks when the CTR is low AND the price is as low as it is on a CPM-fakead. so he must be able to make at least the same money with less clicks.
and this is exactly what i did and yes we do have advertisers who are paying up to 0,30 ? for a single click. and if they set up an interessting (but not lying) ad they will get clicks and buyers and end up much cheaper as they end up in google adwords i.e.
maybe you understand now, that i am talking about something COMPLETELY different as you try to ascripe to me.
i am not this kind of person who is copying the bad and make it worse. i am well known in this industry that i was always doing things different and in my very own way by investigation the market and the things going wrong. and I think thatīs why i am still here and alive.
greetings
thommy