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Originally Posted by Creatine
Hey thommy I have some difficulties understanding this, from what i'm picking up you're saying the traffic actually converts well. But it's just all bounced around among tube sites which creates lower CPM's and less profits?
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it is mostly not even bounced around the tubesites. it is bounced around many sites it hese are "toplists" or "galleries" or whatever junksite what getīs only traffic FROM such ressources and many many more
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If that is the case inst that just due to the niche being crowded/competitive? With all of these WordPress insta tube site builders etc.
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no matter HOW crowded the internt is - in google is just ONE first page and that where is a user usually starts his tour.
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It would also mean the advertising networks are making big $$ and giving pennies to everyone signed up with them except for the few with large amounts of traffic.
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thatīs also not true - th enetworks do not make the big part of what advertisers spend - the point is that advertisers are never able to pay more as they can make on advertisement.
99% of all ads i see around are CPM ads and webmasters do usually hide them in the footer or put such a lot of them, that the traffic from there loses a lot of value.
it is still the same count - if you have 2 ads on a page or 10 it ist still only ONE user who can see them. worse when this ads are on sites where blind clicks are used for trafficexchange stuff. this user is gobe before he had the chance to click but the advertiser have to pay this impression.
no - the mainproblem are definetly NOT the networks - the mainproblem are the webmasters who want to make money with ads but do not want a user clicks there.
beside that you have to see another point. an advertiser who works with CPM have to look at least that the source he use is matching his product as good as possible. that leads to the nonsense that cams want to promote on camseites and dating on datingsites. they will NEVER have the chance to make any money from anything else. but do you really belive that a potential ccambuyer is ONLY on cam related sites? how does he get there when he is new and never heard about it?
this is why i personally would not use and not offer CPM to anybody. i think the one and only real value we have in compare to the "regular media" is the user action and this is the click.
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I'm not sure what the solution to this would be. I don't know the first thing about SEO or how to market a porn site. I can't really share my porn tubs on facebook with friends & family.
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well i think you do not make your pornsites for your family. and yes it is quite impossible to spread porn on facebook. thatīs why i prefer the good old searchengines. social media in porn is a step what you should try when you are at the limit with searchengines
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Back in the days from what I remember SEO involved back link building etc. I'm not sure if that's still the case.
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it is in fact VERY easy because SEO does not work any different as advertisement.
if you set a link just to be there it is senseless.
if you set a link what get clicks but no following usage, you made something wrong. maybe your message caused another expectation or the target site did not show right away, that the user is where he wanted.
so when you set a link think what can work and what do you REALLY have.
if your links and your traffic to your site is not producing ondomain pageviews and holding time you have the wrong traffic and the wrong adverstisement (a link IS adverisement)
i won a bet a few month ago with an advertiser who wanted to buy gay traffic from me. but in our network of 6500 domains is NOT ONE gaysite.
the guy made a banner with the following phrase:
ARE YOU GAY or DO YOU WANT TO BECOME ONE ???
and this ads where ONLY shown on mainstream porn sites and they are still running on a quite high CPC and I won the bet.
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What what I'm seeing SEO is basically dead, nowadays all the rage is on private blog networks etc.
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well you can do all that and write blogarticles and more but at the end you have to have REAL users who like your content somehow.
google does not react on spamlinks anymore because the have the possibility to follow users and do not have to trust in links. but IF a link is followed by users AND this surfer is USING the site he has clicked on THAN a link is a positive one and google will try to reproduce "your advertising strategy" (what means your linktext or key) in their own listings.
that will take a while and can also not be tricked out, because google is testing this keys on just a few users first. you will never know when where and to who your result will be shown - that is googles secret.
and as you will not look behind this secret the one and only way is to make websites attractive.
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I think i'm going to completely pull all of the advertising from my sites. Fuck it. 4$ per month is not worth it, I'd rather provide a better user experience.
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well i was just roughly going over your sites and what i saw there first is that you also hide the banners. too many of them in the footer and too many fakeads because of CPM.
i tell you what:
chose your BEST and most prominent places
write over the ad fat ADVERTISEMENT
cut out all banners in the footer for now (later you can put one or 2
work with CPC or choose banners from programms and set them up. but look that the banner is EXACTLY matching with what is behind
DO NOT use links with landingpagerotations or shit like that - because you will never know what worked and what not
promote there WHATEVER YOU WANT and do not think that nichesurfers are buying nothing else than that.
and than see what will happen.
and if you are still making 4 US per month with that you either did something wrong or you should never listen again to me and call me names.
but if you make 10 or 12 dollar with your existing traffic than your next goal should be to change the trafficsources and multiple this concept with REAL users.
greetings
thommy