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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
This mayors party is the PvdA. It used to be the biggest party for Turkish people to vote for. They are in government now but will loose probaly around 50% of their votes in this week election.
People now expect the Turkish people will vote DENK, the party that loves Erdogan. DENK is founded by two Turkish politicians that where also PvdA but stepped out of the party 2 years ago and started their own Islam party.
All political parties supported that the Minister President stopped the Turkish ministers airplane, except DENK. When the Minister President forbid that the plane could land there came several convoys from Germany with another Turkish president. trying to fool the police using different cars. Altough Turkey said the whole time nobody was coming.And than the Mayor of Rotterdam stepped in to prevent violence and demonstrations.
Just 2 days ago the party DENK said that he had made 1 biggest mistake in his career with the PvdA. Supporting the current mayor of Rotterdam, when he was still with the PvdA.
Now the rumours are that the Dutch president acted this way cause he want to show how fier he is regarding Turkey. (the elections are coming). Cause De Bild (german newspaper) says that the ministers would be welcome, but after the Dutch elections. Cause they where afraid Wilders would get more votes.
But in the end it is DENK that will win and a lot of Turkish people will vote for them. 70% of the Turkish in Holland support Erdogan.
I said, only 1000 protesting. That is not much, there are 400.000 Turkish people in Holland.
I think you live in a dreamworld. This is the 3th/4th generation of Turkish people in Holland. And you say maybe in 100 years more they will eduate the people.... Why should we educate them??? I don't have the feeling somebody needs to educate them. We had that proces with other religions long ago. No time to waste another 100 year on that shit. Just sent the criminals out. If they love Erdogan so much and hate Holland so much, why do they stay?
Now it is the second time some Nazi lovers try to destroy Rotterdam.
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i completely understand your concerns but the point is that in this century you can´t go with an army somewhere and win a war.
they are MUCH more and they are not scared to die for what they believe.
that Europe haven´t seen a real war since the second one (except Yugoslavia )
is a result of talk together and find compromises.
i think we still live damned good in Europe - even when things are not perfect.
but that is life - if there are 2 with different meanings nobody will change the others point. they can only agree on something in the middle and live in piece together.
the Romans killed the Christians for centuries - Christians are still alive but Roma is gone.
There was also a time when Muslims and Christians lived together in peace. In fact, we learned a lot from them and they shared it without a problem. The real big problems with the Muslim countries started after Britain and the USA interfered there and wanted their oil.
As all these countries are too small to win a war against one of these nations they invented the jihad and collected a worldwide army by using a religious believing.
At the end "believers" always win - what the Americans should have learned already in Vietnam were they lost a war against people who are not taller than 10-year-old children - but they BELIEVED and there is no weapon to destroy believing.
That is why it does not make sense to make the problem bigger with sawing hate. Maybe we should try to saw "understanding each other"
and remind people one the one as on the other side that there have been centuries when we lived in freedom and prosperity together.
We should not allow that financial interest of multibillion companies control the politics and give a shit on piece. We should destroy all this war-makers, the weapon producers and should cancel the licenses of pharma indutrials and others who make billions and billions with the human right to live as soon as they jump over the limit.
I could give you a bunch more REAL ENEMIES - we are trying to resolve that problem from the wrong perspective.