lot First let me say, that I appreciate this level of discussion much more than calling names on each other
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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
Good luck with that plan, didn't work out very well the last 40 years, did it?
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Well, with turkey we did quite good what might be a result of living with them in our countries and many Europeans went to their countries for holidays. So at least we know a LITTLE BIT more about their culture.
But anyway - the problems in Turkey are damned difficult and hard to understand. At least there are no Turkish terrorists yet but that will change when Erdogan gets what he wants because the separation between religion and the state will have an end and terror will come closer.
The MAJORITY of turks living in Europe is peaceful and most of them are integrated completely. I personally know many of them (even in our industry) what i trust more than any German, because they stand for their word and are multicultural open minded.
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I am talking here about the fanatic grey wolve Erdogan fans. Considered as a terrorist organization in Germany. And your plan is to talk? That are the groups that give every Turk a bad name, finnce mosques, drug trafficking, having radical priests and you want to talk for 100 years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_W...(organization)
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The gray wolf-problem is as old as immigration in Europe and we had FAR more problems with native radicals from left and right as with them.
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I think it is best to sent the criminal radicals who don't want to live in Holland in freedom to Turkey and take their passport. They have double passports anyway. But hey, we can wait another 100 year. Than we don't have 10.000 of radicals but maybe 1 million. Great plan. But what if it fails?
That is not radical, that is what the minister president in Canada also does! He just sent a Dutchman back who live from 8 months old in Canada and lived 58 years in Canada. That is because he had a criminal record. He just arrived back in Holland. I heard no much protest against that case.
Canada deports Dutchman who left Netherlands at eight months
Canada deports Dutchman who left Netherlands at eight months - DutchNews.nl
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in the first view that sounds like the only senseful solution but it is a short-term solution because it does not resolve the problem.
This people will possibly go back into their countries but there they will infect others with their hate and they will use religion for it - the strongest weapon they have.
For my understanding, we can´t resolve this problem in a decade because we do not even see it with the full consequences yet. This is similar to the environment problems where we can´t see the full effect today - but our children will.
Furthermore, we have to understand and accept that this problem has it´s roots in foreign interventions in THEIR COUNTRIES - so we are guilty too and can´t blame them alone.
We have to stop that shit to allow the involvement of individual economic interests in global politics.
And last not least in a longterm strategy, we should find a way to take power from religion by educating people with modern knowledge about the origin of the earth and of mankind. Religions are for stupid people who do not have better answers - and that makes it dangerous.
With other words: We have to brainwash them before they brainwash us.
In regards of "sending people home" I might think more radical as you - because I would prefer to lock them in and brainwash them or let them locked in til they die.
We have a lot of examples from German terrorists from the 60s and 70s who "woke up" in prison and are now the most powerful language tubes against violence and terror. In fact left terror (what was one of the biggest problems in Germany in the 60s and 70s) is not existing in Germany anymore. BTW: Tunisia is planning such a solution for the unwanted they HAVE to take back (the last german terror attack was actually caused by Tunisian government because they did not take this wanker back and Germany was not prepared for such a circumstance.
All we can see in the history is, that hate and force are producing more of it - a cycle that can´t be stopped. If we really look for a long term solution we need patience and smart minds. We do not need another radical on our end because that would cause a millenium of growing terror.
Look the americans found Bin Laden and killed him - the americans killed another few hundert leaders of Al Kaida, ISIS, Boku Haram and all the other terror groups - WHAT DID IT CHANGE ? We have MORE terror as we had before and with each one we kill 100 new ones will show up. So this method is already classified "unsmart an noneffective".