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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
That link doesn't work. And Thommyboy, life is not all about money. If we wanted that we could have stayed with the Third Reich. South Africa would financialy be better of with apartheid, do we want that? Do we want a EU and be controlled by Brussel. You must look in history how many times war where started cause people want to live in a souvereign country.
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southafrica is a quite good example what shoudl show you that the "will" of uneducated people does not lead to success.
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You act if people want to destroy the EU. That is not the case. Most people want some form of cooperation, but not how it is going now.
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here i do agree completely - i did not say that the EU is a perfect solution yet but we have no other choice in glabl world with gloabl problems as to union.
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And the only way to prevent that is to step out of the EU, cause there are no reasonable politcial party's that want to listen to both sites.
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so you tell me if you do not like the food you die from hunger ?
that is stupid !
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The Dutch don't want the treaties with Ukrain, but after a referendum they didn't listen. Just like no one will listen cause we are such a small country that we have nothing to say.
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what is wrong with this agreement?
it agreement contains political and socio - political objectives (democracy, the rule of law, human rights), measures to curb corruption, rules on cooperation in security policy, but above all rules on standardization and approximation in trade, customs duties, taxes and taxes Taxes, competition law, energy issues and environmental protection.
do you not want to sell goods to other countries or want another tschernobyl ?
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Well, than we must say goodbye on a certain point. How hard is that to understand?
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the only ones who will suffer are the dutch. your economy will fall apart completely and germany will have the next enonomic refugees.
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That treaty that Turkey will join the EU, should have been put in the trash years ago. You know that Wilders was with the VVD, but stepped out cause the VVD wanted Turkey to join the EU and Wilders didn't want to support that.
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you do not have to be a right radicalist to think that - here i agree too and MANY politicians in germany and austria are fighting for the same.
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And now we get the bla bla bla that they won't join cause there are not following the rules bla bla. If that is the case, just put that treaty in the trashcan and show it.
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donīt forget that turkey is an important parzner in the NATO and one of the last muslim countries what can help us to get rid of the troor problem. you want we let them alone and let them radicalize themselve?
wonderful strategy !!!!
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You where also so wrong a few weeks ago about the Turkish referendum. Thinking that educate them would mean they would stand against Erdogan and they would bring sense back to Turkey. In the end it showed that Erdogan has more back up from the Turkish in Germany and Holland than in his own country. That theory of you went up in smoke.
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you are wrong agian. have you seen the participation quotes? have you heard from the thousands of turkish people who scared to put just one foot in the turkish embasy to vote because they where afriad that they lose their passports?
do you know HOW MANY so called Gülem-sympatisliving in Germany and Holland ?
Do you really believethat these people will step through a door where they under 100% under turkish law?
do you know that an embassy in every country in the world is an untouchable ground of the country it is belonging to ?
i think you do not know many things and that makes you so blind and just see the small top of t the big iceberg.
donīt missunderstand me - i casee that you really worry and want to change things (what is good) but what i also can see is that you do not understand the complexity of things and the consequences of your "easy ideas".
look around you - look at all countries in the wolrd and ask people if they agree with their goverments - you will not find ONE SINGLE PERSON who doest complain.
do you really think that in history of humans there have NEVER been anyone who was not corrupt or incapable????
the truth is, that all this promises in elections are failing on the reality or on the promis of someone else a country needs.
politics is never perfect for everywone - it can NEVER make everybody 100% happy it is just the try to get as near as possible to that point.
btw. turkey is a great example for that. i am pretty sure that trump would like to do the same as erdogan but he is not that far yet to touch the little rest of democracy in US - but if he could he would do it.