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Originally Posted by thommy
southafrica is a quite good example what shoudl show you that the "will" of uneducated people does not lead to success.
here i do agree completely - i did not say that the EU is a perfect solution yet but we have no other choice in glabl world with gloabl problems as to union.
so you tell me if you do not like the food you die from hunger ?
that is stupid !
what is wrong with this agreement?
it agreement contains political and socio - political objectives (democracy, the rule of law, human rights), measures to curb corruption, rules on cooperation in security policy, but above all rules on standardization and approximation in trade, customs duties, taxes and taxes Taxes, competition law, energy issues and environmental protection.
do you not want to sell goods to other countries or want another tschernobyl ?
the only ones who will suffer are the dutch. your economy will fall apart completely and germany will have the next enonomic refugees.
you do not have to be a right radicalist to think that - here i agree too and MANY politicians in germany and austria are fighting for the same.
donīt forget that turkey is an important parzner in the NATO and one of the last muslim countries what can help us to get rid of the troor problem. you want we let them alone and let them radicalize themselve?
wonderful strategy !!!!
you are wrong agian. have you seen the participation quotes? have you heard from the thousands of turkish people who scared to put just one foot in the turkish embasy to vote because they where afriad that they lose their passports?
do you know HOW MANY so called Gülem-sympatisliving in Germany and Holland ?
Do you really believethat these people will step through a door where they under 100% under turkish law?
do you know that an embassy in every country in the world is an untouchable ground of the country it is belonging to ?
i think you do not know many things and that makes you so blind and just see the small top of t the big iceberg.
donīt missunderstand me - i casee that you really worry and want to change things (what is good) but what i also can see is that you do not understand the complexity of things and the consequences of your "easy ideas".
look around you - look at all countries in the wolrd and ask people if they agree with their goverments - you will not find ONE SINGLE PERSON who doest complain.
do you really think that in history of humans there have NEVER been anyone who was not corrupt or incapable????
the truth is, that all this promises in elections are failing on the reality or on the promis of someone else a country needs.
politics is never perfect for everywone - it can NEVER make everybody 100% happy it is just the try to get as near as possible to that point.
btw. turkey is a great example for that. i am pretty sure that trump would like to do the same as erdogan but he is not that far yet to touch the little rest of democracy in US - but if he could he would do it.
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So now the fake news says that the Turkish people not dare to vote. Again trying to make people think most Turkish respect freedom of speech. I saw a tv report and people just went in a bus to vote, pro and anti Erdogan. Look at the polls, it showed long before that most Turkish support Erdogan. Also nice, living with people that show more interest in Gulem and Erdogan, PKK, grey Wolves, and other crazy shit. Never seen a group foreigners in other countries that have to spread their political ideoligy in other countries. I don't ride around with Dutch flags and set up organisations in Brazil to support Wilders or Rutte. Or even worse, start a religous organisation to accomplish that.
I said if politicians don't listen and only follow europhiles, there is no other option than leave. Just like we can't give up the treaty we have with Turkey now, or all 28 countries must agree. Or you must step out. Well, than just step out. And that will be only worse when corrupt countries join the EU. It will be harder and harder to change things people don't want if 1 country won't agree. On the other hand, now they want to change that so you need a majority, instead of all countries agreeing. That gives the problem that there will be less and less sovereignty.
The Ukrain treaty is a treaty with the most corrupt country in Europe. In the beginning the minister president of Holland called is just a normal trade deal. But when it looked people would vote against it, suddenly he said that that way people supported Putin, a world war could break out and he even said "do you know what a vucuum bomb in Syria does"???/ Suddenly a vote against Ukrain joining the eu would result in mass slaughters. And now you tell also itt is just a trade deal... who can you believe.,... In the end, the Dutch people don't wanted it.
You are so negative when a country leaves the EU. You sound like a politician, economies will be destroyed, WW3 will start, all to scare people. Why are you so afraid. I am sure there are enough smart people that find a solution and the economy will do just fine. we have heard the "end of the world" predictions too many times.
With europhiles like Verhofstadt, Juncker, Timmermans it will only get worse.