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Originally Posted by thommy
what a nonsense - nobody has forced anybody in the EU.
the EU should be a unit - what you say is the same as "a country that rules a country"
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Evbery Common Narket country thatwas taken into the EU without a referendum was forced. France, holland and Eire voted OUT. Two were ignored the other told to go and have another vote and get it right the second time. Since then the EU has tightened its grip on Europe without referendums.
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sure will the remaining countries lose - there is no doubt about that. but they will loose LESS then the rest. what will THEY DO ? founding a new EU ???
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Yes they will form their own trade agreements now free to do so. They will be free to strike trade deals outside the EU.
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and WHY britain have a deficit I explained you already. it is a pure result of the british pound. no one has forbidden you to keep the pound, but you should not blame the others for your own wrong decisions
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Because the pound was too strong or too weak?
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what a nonsense - what kind of anarchist are you that you do not understand that every kind of unity needs rules.
is this just pure egoizm or just rest alcohol what speaks out of you ?
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You ignored my statement.
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paul did you not realize that non of the realistic politicians and not one bigger company wants that? WHO will give the work you want to the people when all this companies are going ? and they go with a reason and not because of missunderstanding the enonomy.
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Democracy is about what the people want. So far the EU has made it plain it's not asking the people what they want. Revealing to see you think it's about politicians and big business. Now you have to consider, will the big EU businesses allow the EU politicians to make them poorer?
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first you have to show them on the map where those countries are.
the biggest trades happening are INSIDE the EU. and they happens BECAUSE of the euro
and opening trade borders.
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You ignored my statement. There is a larger market outside the EU.
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if the 500 million europeans have that much clue of eceonomy as you have it would be better to keep them out because if the world runs by the ideas of hobby enonomists it would not work at all.
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The 500 million have a very good idea about how their own economies work. Most are poorer.
Look at GDP per capita. Organise it by 2006-2010 then biggest to smallest.
You will see Poland has grown by 4.71%. to be followed by other nations that have weak economies and a low wage work force. The highest growth in an economic powerhouse Western economy is Germany at 1.37%. The rest are around or under 1% growth. Deduct inflation, borrowing growth, the richest share of wealth and tell us where the personal economy of Europeans has grown.
While countries economies have grown slightly, people's incomes have mostly fallen.
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i case of CETA you have posted also an old information because everybody (including the most politicians and the big companies was protesting against it (me too) but in a democracy things will find an open ear and that is why what you have postet is not fact.
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is not part of CETA and it was the major reason why TTIP was never signed.
so what are you complaining? do you complain that US and Canada WANTED that part or that the EU did NOT sign it ?????
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So why did the politicians spend so long and so much money trying to get CETA and TTIP through? You missed my point, that was the deal the bureaucrats were trying to sign.
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paul i am sorry you really do not have the SMALLEST clue of what you are taking about.
i will give you an example:
if you work 1 hour and make 50 dollars and someone else works for you 10 hours but make only 2 dollars per hour WHAT IS YOUR EXCHANGE RATE ????
forget about money - money does not mean anything. it is just a help to exchange performance.
not one nation in the world can survive without buying cheap labour from outside.
where do you think would a company like apple and microfoft be when the parts of the computers would be produces on european wages?
do you think you would be able to buy a computer? i doubt it !!!
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And here you display how little you grasp the real economics.
If a person in the West makes something for $20 that a person in the Third World makes for $1. It's great to buy it from the Third World.
Unless the person in the West who is now out of a job needs the State to give him $19. Your entire economic approach relies on the person in the West to disappear. How many more jobs will go to the Third World before companies like Apple and Microsoft don't have enough customers in the West to buy their products? Again look at GDP to see how well your theory is shown to be stupid.
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the whole world is consrtucted like that and the boss of people who want that is mr. trump. if you do not want that and want equality in the world - we all would live like chinese. so yes - they give us PROSPERITY !!!!
in 100 thousand years of mankinds history PROSPERITY was growing by enlarging markets and with finding the CHEAPEST way to produce things.
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The whole world was constructed on the basis that the need for manual labour was the driving force of an economy. Today we have a new set of rules where manual labour is disappearing.
Also, the West grew strong by adopting the Industrial Revolution and selling good to the Third World or rulling it.
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just answer me the following question:
WHY should people who are not able to produce things on an affordable price do that ?
WHO WOULD BENEFIT ????? fucking NOBODY WOULD !
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Because the way we are heading the majority of people in the West are getting poorer.
The stats I show prove it.