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Old 06-14-2017, 04:35 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by Joshua G View Post
you & i agree that the shooter has personal responsibility. i said so in another thread on this topic, you saw it because you commented in that thread.

however ideas matter. ideas drive people to the best & worst of behaviors. Do you think the hateful things coming from all orifices of the left right now have nothing to do with this?

i guess mein kampf was irrelevent to the holocaust to you? what exactly are you arguing? that the left is blameless for their hate trump/GOP rhetoric?

Ideas do matter. Ideas can change the world. However, this isn't an issue of ideas. This is a mental health issue. This guy was crazy and he chose to act out. We as individuals are responsible for our own behavior. The hate the left is throwing at Trump has nothing to do with this guy acting out just like the hate the right threw at Obama had nothing to do with Dylan Roof acting out.

What am I arguing? I am arguing that one of the biggest problems with politics in this day and age is that there are some people who can turn anything into politics. When bad things happen like this it isn't because one party or the other is in the White House, it is because sometimes crazy people do crazy shit.
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