Originally Posted by thommy

and WHO do you think is the civilzed one ?

do you really think america is civilized?
an country with the most imprinsioned in the world - a country where even prisons are in private hands doing all to get the "customers" back - a country with the most humicides in the world - a country with most drug addicted people who are drug addicted because they can´t pay for the meds - a country what lives from war and exports war is civilized?

no - it´s not. there ARE civilized people there - and a lot of REALLY nice people - but also people like you and a few others here who are not the majority but they are louder as the majority is. and the loud voices are heard all over the world and THIS is the image of america. and you wonder why america and the western world have so many enemies?
start with yourself to change and you will see that the world will change.