This thread has degenerated into pointless squabbles. It started out good. But just look what its come to. Shame on all of you!
Only Karen Carpenter singing "Still Crazy After All These Years" can resurrect this thread now. So without further adieu...ladies and gentlemen....may I introduce to you, the late great Karen Carpenter.
Karen, the microphone is yours. Take it away.
https://youtu.be/npkQdLFnuXY