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Originally Posted by crucifissio
@ carlostheguacho
my advice to you is to go and visit some islamic countries...you are simply too misinformed...it is a pity you spent so much time researching info that misrepresents factual reality to such an extent...
they are going through hard times, the west is not helping at all...most muslims are "religious" and not really religious...mosques are not bursting full...they smoke weed...they drink alcohol...they watch porn and they have hookers (only much more discrete)...they are not plotting against you even if a handful are...they drink lots of tea but not coffee...
if a FEW of them are asking for shariah zones/halal shit etc its like that transgender bathroom crap...some people ask for stupid shit but that does not mean much...there is no plot against the west...or the east or anybody else...
we have jehovas witnesses (I think) here is serbia and they ring door to door and want to talk about the lord...its no plot...its just dumb asses being dumb asses...
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And where am I factually wrong? Can you dispute anything I noted apart from that "not all Muslims" which I didn't claim, and that wouldn't even make sense to claim in the first place? Again, I'm talking ideology and its effects on those that follow and not follow it alike.
And yes I saw first hand how an Islamic community looks like - in Western Europe, it was puzzling. Exactly THAT first hand experience was the primary reason why I got interested in the topic, in order to establish a criticial view on this issue.
And that presence in Europe is frankly the only thing that interests me, I have no business in their lands, apart from as a visitor, or trade. I don't really care how they govern their lands and how many of them will be nice or not.
What I've noted above are just some real manifestations of the ideology in practice, in the history, and what's their basis in the doctrine of Islam. These things are real, do exist, do happen, even on a regular basis. But only if one knows the civilization, its foundation and principles can one be able to understand WHY is this happening.
That something isn't talked about doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and closing one's eyes doesn't make it go away. Of course there will be various levels of dedication among the followers of ANY ideology, but the principal question would be - why should anyone advocate for an ideology where one has to rely on its followers NOT following it?