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Originally Posted by dyna mo
there are a lot of different topics in this post!
both sides have threatened nukes within the last few days.
in reality 2 men threatening nuclear war on each other is not safer than them not doing so. It's not better than 1 guy threatening nukes and the other not.
I don't care for pelosi as much as I don't care for trump.
the tone is no different, regardless of rhetoric, NK is adamant and otr that they will not denuke.
there is no denuke dance.
mark does that.
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I think you are ignoring the fact that threatening war and threatening to attack Seoul with artillery, shelling the area to "kill millions", firing rockets over Japan countless times, attacking/sinking vessels in the area to kill civilians, threatening the destruction of the USA almost daily, having a national position that they are still at war with the USA, having refused for years to work with the US/IAEA, having kicked them out, having lied countless times about enriching nuclear materials, having lied about facilities and capabilities, having threatened the USA BEFORE Trump was President with nuclear war many times, being a major selling of weapons to terrorists, the single largest counterfeiter of currency on the planet etc etc etc etc etc etc and then saying "Trump called his bluff and we're now all in grave danger" is a little disingenuous... as if there wasn't a real threat for 3-4 decades already and they aren't 100% impossible and ALWAYS making threats day and night as they improve their capability to carry them out.
The threat ONLY exists because they were never effectively confronted.
The only reason any shit country wants nukes is to get a seat at the nuclear blackmail table for their own gain. Before they had nukes and the US threatened to cut off their aid (oil, food, medical), they responded with "we'll take that as an act of war".
There is no choice anymore. IF the world wants to finally kill this cancer, the time for talk is over. We've been nice to them for at least 3 decades and got nothing in return but threats while they starved their own people to death and murder any opposition in macabre public executions, using anti-aircraft guns to turn a body to goo while the ruling elite watches.
They have no cards to play that don't end in economic collapse, collapse of the regime or their total annihilation. They literally have no cards left to play. They never did. Their only move at this point is to negotiate their survival. They can only be forced to the table when its made clear that there is no more Obama to give them a free pass on being assholes and making threats. The US, Japan and Korea let China use NK as a surrogate to play games. They all tried to appease and work with NK, while being threatened and lied to the entire time. Even Bill Clinton was actively drawing up plans to bomb them for their behavior.
No, we are not in more danger because a fat kid with no moves left is making the same threats they've been making for almost 3/4 of a century.
They've been forced to the table... not because they care, but because they are losing their grip on their people and they're broke. (Amazon has a shit ton of docs about NK and i love watching them). It's time to either break them and force them to the table or force their collapse. Obviously SK and Japan are of that same mind.