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Old 06-21-2018, 01:30 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by xClips Jim View Post
Regardless of how someone might feel about this plan, it IS a plan and has worked perfectly so far. Just think about what has factually happened, regardless of your stance on either side:

1.) Even though they didn't create the laws on this issue, President Trump and Jeff Sessions announced the enforcement of them. What is the legal issue?: Family separation.
Agreed.

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2.) If that is the issue and if it's a big one, what does it tell you? Entire families are crossing the border illegally. Who does this matter to?
It matters to pretty much every American and those trying to enter this country.

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3.) What did Trump turn the entire Democratic party into with this issue? Extremely vocal supporters of illegal immigration. What was his primary campaign issue?
Wrong. While there are a few extremist on the left who advocate for open borders, most Democrats want a sensible immigration policy. Just because a person doesn't agree with someone's (Trump's) solution to a problem doesn't mean that they want the problem to exist. It means they want a better answer.

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4.) Did the Left look rational while defending illegal immigration? Did they seem concerned for AMERICANS? Or did they look a lot like Peter Fonda?

Peter Fonda is about as far to the left as you can get. It is like listening to someone like Alex Jones and then assuming everyone on the right agrees with him. They don't. Fonda is an asshole and an idiot. Democrats are no defending illegal immigration. Just because Trump and the right says it, doesn't mean it is factual, obviously.

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5.) Trump Derangement Syndrome attacks the part of the brain that doesn't allow you to see how he's roping you in to VERY problematic voting issues for Democrats.

Blue wave on this? Keep dreaming.
Trump is playing the culture war nicely. He is firing up his base. I personally think he is also firing up the Democrats. They hate him more today than they did when he took office. The more he prods them, the more they will want to turn out in November.

With midterms it is always about turnout and the elections are locally focused so they can change dramatically from district to district. While I agree some on the left have a form of Trump Derangement Syndrome, so do some on the right. They support him no matter what he says, no matter what he does, no matter what he suggests. Following Trump blinding just because he is pissing off liberals and that makes them happy is not a smart way to behave.

Personally, I think there will be a blue wave and the Democrats will take the house back. I guess we will see.
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