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Originally Posted by thommy
before you use the crimea thing as an argument letīs have a look into that and see if WE ALL can agree this was a crime.
1. the crimea was given as a present to ukraine in a time when ukraine belonged to the soviet union.
2. there was nothing like an "annection" of crimea. people there have elected for it.
3. as the NATO is constantly moving itīs military power nearer to the russian border and crimea is at a very important strategic point can crimea be about to be or not be for russia in the event of war. so this is exactly the same logic as the one that triggered the Cuban crisis in 1962 when fidel castro wanted to give his allies the opportunity to deploy nuclear missiles in cuba.
so why is exactly the same thing right on one side and wrong on the other?
you have to look at things neutrally if you want to come to a really objective opinion
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I am looking at those things. I already said years ago that it Russia wouldn't have done anything it would be a new Yugoslavia with many deads. But the EU leaders looked at it different, as you did. Remember Verhofstadt screaming how he would help the Ukrain and that the people of Ukrain won...lol .... I said they would be fucked by Europe. When there was a referendum in Holland about Ukrain, people voted against it. But the EU and Dutch government didn't like it and ignored it. And the EU said the elections in Crimea where fraud.
Are you now changing your mind? Or just dropping another view? Did the EU wrong? You defended Merkel all the time.
"Angela Merkel: Russia 'will not get away' with annexation of Crimea
The German Chancellor's tough message underlines how America and the EU have agreed a joint response to Ukraine crisis " 12 Mar 2014
"German Chancellor Angela Merkel compared the annexation of the Crimea to divided Germany"
I just pinned out that the politicians in the EU say other things than they are acting like. Or they are just stupid while everyone could see it coming. Merkel don't see it coming and dividing countries. I now even wonder what double agenda she could have. Same with the migrant crisis, for years people said we must stop it. But didn't listen. And now you can see a more divided EU and the Walls are built (and working).
I didn't change my views on things. Goes exactly how i thought it would go. For Germany i think you better hope Trump stays in charge than that he is impeacehd cause of Russian connections. I have the idea when that happen that there will be much much more spent on securing EU borders and much much more sanctions will follow for the EU. And if Merkel than keeps hammering she wants a pipeline, she will be accused of a Russian Puppet that want to destroy the USA and approves of Russia influencing the USA elections.
For Germany it would be perfect if Trump becomes more friendly with Russia. But than he has Obama, Clinton and maybe the people on his neck, accusing him with Russian ties. Like many people do already... So there is a stand-off at this moment.
I think Trump will figure something out. And if he doesn't, he just sent a new tweet where he changes his opinion. Just like Merkel does.