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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1
I am looking at those things. I already said years ago that it Russia wouldn't have done anything it would be a new Yugoslavia with many deads. But the EU leaders looked at it different, as you did. Remember Verhofstadt screaming how he would help the Ukrain and that the people of Ukrain won...lol .... I said they would be fucked by Europe. When there was a referendum in Holland about Ukrain, people voted against it. But the EU and Dutch government didn't like it and ignored it. And the EU said the elections in Crimea where fraud.
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the "fraud" at crimea was that they use glass ballot boxes and the ballot papers are not in envelopes. the point is: THIS is usual all over Ukraine !
there's suspicion of electoral fraud but no evidence. and as long as that's so i'd keep it the way it should have been kept with saddam's chemical weapons.
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Are you now changing your mind? Or just dropping another view? Did the EU wrong? You defended Merkel all the time.
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you know me - i am not in any ideological corner.
I can be in one case pro and in other cases contra. to be honest - if I would have to vote in Germany now I would not even know for WHOM I should vote because there are good arguments on every side.
and if we leave this "they are nazis" out of the discussion I would even find a little truth
in the concerns of the far right party. they just donīt have the solutions and there arguments might sound logic but they are against existing laws.
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"Angela Merkel: Russia 'will not get away' with annexation of Crimea
The German Chancellor's tough message underlines how America and the EU have agreed a joint response to Ukraine crisis " 12 Mar 2014
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what else shall she say?
she will be the very last thinking in using military power and this is what I appreciate on her.
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I just pinned out that the politicians in the EU say other things than they are acting like. Or they are just stupid while everyone could see it coming. Merkel don't see it coming and dividing countries. I now even wonder what double agenda she could have. Same with the migrant crisis, for years people said we must stop it. But didn't listen. And now you can see a more divided EU and the Walls are built (and working).
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this is nothing new - it is in every system like that and it might be even more complicated in the EU.
the EU is a great idea but the big mistake they make there is that they do not give equal freedom to the people but try to collect every stupid interdictive instead.
at this point we both are 100% at the same line.
but rome wasnīt build in a day. look the united states - they are still not on the same line after all this centuries.
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I didn't change my views on things. Goes exactly how i thought it would go. For Germany i think you better hope Trump stays in charge than that he is impeacehd cause of Russian connections. I have the idea when that happen that there will be much much more spent on securing EU borders and much much more sanctions will follow for the EU. And if Merkel than keeps hammering she wants a pipeline, she will be accused of a Russian Puppet that want to destroy the USA and approves of Russia influencing the USA elections.
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what you and trump voters still donīt get is that we spend much more than the fucking 2% in piece and freedom instead of wars.
we are not afraid from Russia but we also donīt see them as our biggest enemy.
the EU and the NATO are enemies of putin and this is why he wants to destroy it.
and with an idiot in the white house and people who follow his perfide propaganda
he will win this game. unfortunately he is smarter than all of them together and he will eat trump for breakfast.
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For Germany it would be perfect if Trump becomes more friendly with Russia. But than he has Obama, Clinton and maybe the people on his neck, accusing him with Russian ties. Like many people do already... So there is a stand-off at this moment.
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for Germany and the rest of the world it would be better if everyone becomes more friendly with each other. this would make cyber wars and influence on the elections in other countries completely superfluous.
we could concentrade on trades and keep our planet clean.
we could work in alternative energies what would be good for all mankind and we would have MUCH to do for the next 100 generations with that.
we would not need to waste brain and materials in producing weapons what are made for killing life and destroying the planet.
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I think Trump will figure something out. And if he doesn't, he just sent a new tweet where he changes his opinion. Just like Merkel does.
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WRONG - she never changed her mind but she is smart enough to understand at what point she have to give up.
just look at this bavarian solo effort. seehofer has "pushed through" something against merkel for which there is no basis at all and which cannot be implemented at all.
merkel wanted nothing else - but in a european solution.
seehofer has now succeeded in sending asylum applicants who are already registered in another country back there. and the right-wing community is cheering.
now after his "victory" he has to realize that the other EU countries do not take them back because there is no EU regulation for it. and now? WHO was right in the end?
slowly this nonsensical plan of seehofer becomes clear to everyone who has not understood it before. and even in his own party they call for his resignation.
why does it have to come to this?
why does one first have to implement something that cannot be implemented so that even the last idiot can see how stupid the idea was?
merkel made only ONE big mistake in this whole situation. she believed that all countries keep their promises and signed contracts.
You can interpret that as a weakness - I call it "standing by your given word".