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Originally Posted by dyna mo
Huh? you must have serious observation problems. I claimed there will be no nk denuke.
here's the thing most fucking important: I've never once tried to talk you out of your views or change your fucking mind on trump. I simply state my views and defend them and clap back hard when necessary. but you incessantly keep trying to change my views in between lying about what i've stated.
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Lying? You are full of shit!
Here are YOUR words when we were debating whether or not Trump canceling the meeting was a negotiating tool to get the meeting to happen. You argued it was not. I said it plainly was.
You were wrong. And you are wrong now calling me a liar:
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
unfortunately, the walkout backfired on trump. he got zilch for it while making NK look like the good guys.
he's no deal maker.
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That was YOU telling me that Trump saying he wouldn't meet with Un had failed and the summit wouldn't happen.
Here is me telling you that it's a "dance" and negotiation:
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Originally Posted by Robbie
It's a back and forth. Now NK is countering.
It's all part of the dance.
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And here is YOU telling me the opposite:
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
But there is no dance, the summit is postponed indefinitely.
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Here I am explaining what you should already know:
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Originally Posted by Robbie
It's ALWAYS a negotiation. Trump has said since the very beginning (back on the campaign trail) that former administrations didn't have a clue on how to negotiate.
He said you have to be able to walk away in order to get movement from the other side. If the other side thinks you are committed to doing something no matter what...then they have no reason to negotiate.
Also...the meeting is STILL on. Trump has said so. Not sure why you are saying it isn't.
At 3:36 p.m. Pacific time on Wed....North Korea THREATENED to pull out of the summit.
You can't threaten to pull out of something that isn't happening.
As for President Trump...these were the last comments he made on Wed.
"Whatever it is," Trump said, "we will know next week about Singapore and if we go I think it will be a great thing for North Korea."
So the premise of this thread is not correct.
As far as negotiating goes...I wouldn't be surprised if this meeting does NOT take place yet. Pulling out of the meeting is a powerful negotiating tool for each side.
BUT...the U.S. definitely has the upper hand and Trump knows it.
For Kim Jung Un to meet with Pres. Trump is 100% good for Un and he knows it. Trump is definitely in the power seat.
But having said that...Asian culture is different than ours. And as I understand it, "saving face" is a big part of that.
So huffing and puffing before the talks is pretty much expected.
And Trump knows that. He's negotiated with people in the Far East for decades.
As the President has said over and over and over: "We'll have to wait and see".
This is all standard "Art Of The Deal" stuff.
And of course...ANY negotiation can go south in a hurry. That may very well happen. And if the meeting does not occur, it will put the North Koreans in a dangerous spot.
It could very well mean military action and regime change.
That is something that was going to happen eventually no matter who the President was. The U.S. has long ago laid down the marker that North Korea can not be allowed to have nukes.
Trump has taken us further toward a negotiated settlement than any other President.
And the reason I said I don't believe ANY of these so-called "experts" is simple:
None of their "expert" advice helped any former administrations get anything done with North Korea.
If this "expert" is so clever and so knowledgeable...then why didn't Pres. Obama heed him and "fix" the North Korea problem? Or why didn't George Bush? Or Bill Clinton? Or Bush Sr.? Or Reagan? Or Carter? Or Ford? Or Nixon? Or Johnson? Or Kennedy? Or Eisenhower? Or Truman?
The answer is because these "experts" at universities are teachers.
And there's an old saying:
"Those that can DO, those that can't TEACH"
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And here you are telling me again that there will be NO summit:
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Originally Posted by dyna mo
umm, yeah, no.
I tried to tell ya the negotiations were done. So much for the master negotiator.
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You were WRONG.