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Originally Posted by Rochard
I have never read Trump's book and never will.
I agree with you that the Democrats will start bitch smacking Trump in January. During the Obama administration the Republicans went on the war path investigating Hillary Clinton for no reason other than to make her look bad. Now we have a President in office who is more or less being accused of working with the Russians to rig an election and a single investigation is turning up indictment after indictment, and the Republicans are silent. This tells us all we need to know - The Republican party starts investigations without proper reasons for political purposes, but when we have legitimate reasons to believe the President has committed serious crimes that might include treason and might lead to impeachment, they have zero interest in investigations. The party that talks about security and promises to protect us isn't protecting us at all.
We need to hold our government officials accountable. All of them.
What happened when Ford pardoned Nixon was horrible. No one should be above the law, including the President.
If the investigation ends and recommends charges for President Trump, we should move to impeach him, remove him office, and have a trial. We need to send a very strong message that says we will hold our government officials accountable. And we will in fact throw a former President in prison if required.
We also need to have trials for anyone else who has broken laws. This obviously includes the Trump children.
Then.... We need to investigate the cover up and see if anyone in Congress was involved in this. I want to know if the Republicans in Congress were involved in a cover up in any way. They just shot down a bill that would have protected Mueller; I want to know if the Trump White House worked with Republicans to shoot it down. If the Trump worked with the Republicans in Congress to stop a law that would have protected the man investigating Trump, that might have been a crime. At the very least the public should know about this.
I agree with you that all of this will spill out in the public domain, and it's going to get nasty. The deeper this gets the more Trump's base is leaving him. The hardcore supporters will go crazy over this.
This is going to be interesting to watch.
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Believe me I was not reading his book for any admiration purpose. And it was a long time ago. I just wanted to understand how he wanted to be seen. The image he was trying to create for himself. I already knew how many times he went belly up, and I did talk with one of those junk bond holders.
Anyway, there is some more enlightening doc's on PBS Frontline. Good watch.
I don't blame Ford for the Pardon. I understand his situation. But the levels of crime here are much higher, and I'm just not sure if I can go along with it again.
All in all I think it has been a good lesson for democracy for those that have never seen it tested this way since the patriot act. I took a lot of crap back then for speaking out against it. One more poor use of patriotism.
But yes, I think that some of these leads may find there way to the senate and house. But you never know. That's why I want to see it through no matter how long it takes.
Ya know, under normal circumstances, a Republican POTUS would be saber rattling big time over Ukraine. But not so...
It just adds to the optics of looking very bad in light of any accusations.
I look forward to new rules to prevent all of this from happening again.
Congress needs to 'define' some new things like if a POTUS can't pardon himself.
Separating who can dispose of special council and for what reasons. There needs to be some checks by other government bodies.
Tax returns for 6 years prior must be mandated for the office in application. -This one item would have prevented him from being elected in the first place. The public should know. They can spin it however they want.
Beyond that, rules must change to allow any piece of legislation with at least 2 members support or sponsorship can get a vote on the floor of the senate. 6 in the house.
One person should not be able to prevent lawmakers from making laws or moving SC nominee's for a vote.
Furthermore, once some of this stuff is in place, it should take 60% to pass any legislation and 66% to change the rules of the bodies of congress.
That will bring back bi-partisanship just because everyone has something they want to pass and deals will be made just like it use to be. The rhetoric will go down quite a bit. Hard to talk down something you had a vote in for after the fact.
But I'm just not sure anything can be done about the judicial committees of the respective bodies. Perhaps some internal rule changes are in order. I don't know how you can remove political influence on those decisions. It was obvious and probably always going to be a issue for either party.