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Originally Posted by Dead Eye
God always existed. Didn't come from anything, was always there. That's kinda the whole point lol.
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to take this discussion back to a point of sense I will answer you this question.
the thinking mistake is that you use 2 different answers for the same question.
this is exactly the rhetoric that makes people believe in a god because they look for someone who "made the nature" because it have to come from something but replace it with a god that suddenly does not have to come from something but exist always.
when you give the same right to the nature you do not have to go any further.
the human mind needs a beginning and an end for everything. and everything in between is called time. therefore there is a before and an after in our world view.
but this worldview is already refuted today by quantum physics.
actually we already know today that there is no such thing as time at all and never was.
however IF there is time it is dependent on space.
if the big bang theory is correct, then there was no space before it and therefore no time.
so there was simply no "before".
in the world of quantum things behave differently. things can be at different places at the same time and they can be dead and alive at the same time. these thought games like those of schrödiger´s katze are more than 100 years old and have been regarded as pure philosophy until now. quantum physics, however, has already proven them even if we don't know the reason for it yet.
there is also no logical reason why an omnipotent god would create creatures like he doesn't want them to. if he were so omnipotent then he could certainly do it perfectly.
in this new knowledge that we are just beginning to understand there is also much more of what we wanted to protect ourselves from through the image of god. because the great fear is the end after or the ultimate end. but the world of quanta shows us that there is no ultimate end and that now again agrees with the traditional physics, because in this physics energy CAN't disappear but it only changes its state.
so the answer simply lies in the divisibility of the number zero. because you CAN divide the zero into 2 different poles. this is also the wisdom of religions like buddhism. buddhists don't have a god - they never needed him because they believe in this divisibility of the number zero. and once you start to deal with it you will see that our whole life would not exist without this divided zero. this not only explains electricity and gravity but also happiness and unhappiness.
believe me - you don't need a god to be happy and fearless.
the only thing you need is a little empathy and a logical mind.