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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
we set boundaries on acceptable behaviors as a society. my opinion is that this who "there's not such thing as gender" bullshit is exactly that... bullshit.
it is also my opinion that a shitty parent tends to raise a child that ultimately becomes societies problem and does so to the detriment of the child. if more people would start standing up and saying 'hey, cut the shit' just as they did only a few decades below, we wouldn't have prisons full of people who came from single parent homes today.
it is not at all correct to pretend as if no one is affected. EVERYONE is affected. all of society feels the impact of asshole, neglectful or abusive parents at some point.
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Hi mate long time no chat, hope all is well
I think you're taking the extreme examples of coercion, whereas I (and I'm guessing the other 'dissenters' here) are more along the lines of that if some 4 year old boy wants to put on a dress and walk around in his mum's heels, so what.
I agree 'no such thing as gender' is nonsense. If I had a son who put on a dress while playing, I wouldn't panic that he would have any kind of issues though. By the same token, I wouldn't make him wear a dress every other day just to prove some point about gender fluidity.
Shitty parents are shitty parents regardless, and likely has more to do with economic standing than simply as a result of being single parents. I'm a single parent - it's not exactly a rarity, but to equate that to prison populations is skewed imo, take out all the non-violent drug 'offenders', people who plea-deal in the US system rather than risk trial, and sure, most will still be from single parent families, but not by much because the numbers between single/married parents isn't that great.
And yeah, a bunch of stuff society does affects others in society - meh, so what tbh. Some man or woman who changes gender is going to have way, way, way, way less effect on society than eg dumbass drug possession laws. People need to worry less about meaningless stuff like that, and far more about lawmakers/enforcers, warmongers, the homeless problem, benefits culture, and so on. Authoritarians dish out that 'regulate these people how WE want'.. not for me thanks.
Someone who is wired different and wants to be the opposite gender - have at it, if that brings them peace of mind, and less internal anguish/struggle. If their parents support them, all the better.
Again though, I feel most in this thread are looking at 2 different facets and going at each other on those. Support & coercion are getting muddied in this thread, imo.