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Bosa · 05-09-2019, 07:59 AM

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https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/incel/

Men Don't Have a Right to Sex

Not everyone is going to have sex.

"When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them...that’s about wanting to control and subjugate women"

Many people are, though. A study from 2007 indicates that 99 percent of Americans will have had sex by the age of 44. Accordingly, it’s hard to say we’re experiencing a crisis of sexlessness, but, okay, that leaves one percent of the population who will not.

That’s okay. They can go on—and doubtless most of that one percent do go on—to enjoy other fun and rewarding hobbies. They can devote their energies to projects and philosophies that better themselves and those around them. This should not be hard to imagine because, while for many of us, sex is an extremely enjoyable part of life, it is just one of the many enjoyable parts of life. (It was Billy Joel who once said “a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better than bad sex”.)

Societal standards of desirability do make it easier for some people to have sex than others. Even among those who do have sex, many, male or female, can’t have it at any age or with their desired partner. That is too bad. It is certainly very distressing to want affection and have your desires be unreciprocated. But that is a disappointment many people experience, and generally take in stride without hurting strangers.

"Numerous men seem to feel that having as much sex as Hugh Hefner is an essential part of the American Dream that ought not be denied to them"

However, there seems to be some thought lately, largely among young men, that if they are denied sex, they are being denied something they are entitled to. In the Trump era, numerous men seem to feel that having as much sex as Hugh Hefner with whatever women they choose is an essential part of the American Dream that ought not be denied to them. They no longer view sex as a hobby so much as a resource that they are owed in order to function in a decent, non-violent fashion.

So let’s be clear: No one owes you sex.

No one owes you sex now. No one will owe you sex tomorrow. No one will ever owe you sex. They will not owe you sex if you are nice to them. They will not owe you sex if you threaten them. Because no one will ever owe you sex.

“But why not?” some men seem to wonder. People like Ross Douthat who has written columns in The New York Times about how sex should be “economically redistributed”. Douthat invokes “brilliant weirdo” Robin Hanson who claims:

“One might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met.”
This column is in the wake of a self-identified "incel" (involuntary celibate) killing nine people with a van in Toronto because women wouldn’t sleep with him. This is not the first time this has happened. In 2014 another incel, Eliot Rodger, killed six people because “spoiled, heartless, wicked bitches” didn’t want to date him.

On the face of it, the argument that society should be rearranged to accommodate these men is so repulsive that it should not be entertained.

When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them—well, that’s not about sex anymore. That’s about wanting to control and subjugate women.

"When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them...that’s about wanting to control and subjugate women"

That’s not lonely men. That’s a terrorist group.

Incels celebrated the recent terror attack in Toronto. They were cheering-on acid attacks on women before then. They are a group whose goal is to punish those not like them and create terror. As civilized people, we do not respond to attacks of terror by saying, “I wonder what we can do to make those terrorists happy.” No one wondered whether it would be best to really tone down some of our ideals to make ISIS happy after they attacked.

Still, Douthat remarks, “If we are concerned about the just distribution of property and money, why do we assume that the desire for some sort of sexual redistribution is inherently ridiculous?”

It’s not ridiculous. It’s terrifying. And it’s terrifying because it happens a lot. Many societies have “redistributed sex” in order to motivate angry young men. ISIS does it. Women in Congo’s south Kivu province are often taken as sex slaves. Many comfort women who were forced to serve as sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during WWII have begun telling their stories in an effort to insure their experiences will not be forgotten. One woman told her story, saying:

“When the soldiers came back from the battlefields, as many as 20 men would come to my room from early morning. That's why I had to have a hysterectomy (in my twenties). They rounded up little girls still in school. Their genitals were still underdeveloped, so they became torn and infected. There was no medicine except something to prevent sexually transmitted diseases and Mercurochrome. They got sick, their sores became septic, but there was no treatment.”
These women are still alive. This didn’t even happen a century ago. They live with the pain, physical and mental, that they had to endure because of “the redistribution of sex.” To them, I feel quite certain, this is not merely a fun thought exercise.

When Ross Douthat throws out fun modest proposals about how society should see that these men have access to sex workers (who they despise) —

People, please stop suggesting that sex workers are the solution to incels. Incels HATE sex workers, more than any other women. It’s like suggesting that we cure Nazis by having them hook up with Jews.

— Mistress hahahahahase (@mistresshahahahahase) May 3, 2018
— or sex robots (which they’re so violent with they quickly destroy) he’s saying that these violent, hateful men’s happiness matters infinitely more than, at least in the case of sex worker’s, women’s safety.

Sex involves at least two people. It is supposed to be a pleasurable experience for both of them. That means two partners who are at least making some effort to be thoughtful about each other’s needs.

Getting laid is not going to fix hateful misogynists. It’s just going to hurt women.

05-09-2019, 07:59 AM
Bosa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Europe Posts: 4,325	30% of American are Incels. Men Don't Have a Right to Sex "Incel" (involuntary celibate) https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultur...edistribution/ https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultur...at-are-incels/ https://www.elle.com/life-love/sex-r...tary-celibacy/ https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/incel/ Men Don't Have a Right to Sex Not everyone is going to have sex. "When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them...that’s about wanting to control and subjugate women" Many people are, though. A study from 2007 indicates that 99 percent of Americans will have had sex by the age of 44. Accordingly, it’s hard to say we’re experiencing a crisis of sexlessness, but, okay, that leaves one percent of the population who will not. That’s okay. They can go on—and doubtless most of that one percent do go on—to enjoy other fun and rewarding hobbies. They can devote their energies to projects and philosophies that better themselves and those around them. This should not be hard to imagine because, while for many of us, sex is an extremely enjoyable part of life, it is just one of the many enjoyable parts of life. (It was Billy Joel who once said “a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better than bad sex”.) Societal standards of desirability do make it easier for some people to have sex than others. Even among those who do have sex, many, male or female, can’t have it at any age or with their desired partner. That is too bad. It is certainly very distressing to want affection and have your desires be unreciprocated. But that is a disappointment many people experience, and generally take in stride without hurting strangers. "Numerous men seem to feel that having as much sex as Hugh Hefner is an essential part of the American Dream that ought not be denied to them" However, there seems to be some thought lately, largely among young men, that if they are denied sex, they are being denied something they are entitled to. In the Trump era, numerous men seem to feel that having as much sex as Hugh Hefner with whatever women they choose is an essential part of the American Dream that ought not be denied to them. They no longer view sex as a hobby so much as a resource that they are owed in order to function in a decent, non-violent fashion. So let’s be clear: No one owes you sex. No one owes you sex now. No one will owe you sex tomorrow. No one will ever owe you sex. They will not owe you sex if you are nice to them. They will not owe you sex if you threaten them. Because no one will ever owe you sex. “But why not?” some men seem to wonder. People like Ross Douthat who has written columns in The New York Times about how sex should be “economically redistributed”. Douthat invokes “brilliant weirdo” Robin Hanson who claims: “One might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met.” This column is in the wake of a self-identified "incel" (involuntary celibate) killing nine people with a van in Toronto because women wouldn’t sleep with him. This is not the first time this has happened. In 2014 another incel, Eliot Rodger, killed six people because “spoiled, heartless, wicked bitches” didn’t want to date him. On the face of it, the argument that society should be rearranged to accommodate these men is so repulsive that it should not be entertained. When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them—well, that’s not about sex anymore. That’s about wanting to control and subjugate women. "When men start talking about how they will massacre people because women won’t have sex with them...that’s about wanting to control and subjugate women" That’s not lonely men. That’s a terrorist group. Incels celebrated the recent terror attack in Toronto. They were cheering-on acid attacks on women before then. They are a group whose goal is to punish those not like them and create terror. As civilized people, we do not respond to attacks of terror by saying, “I wonder what we can do to make those terrorists happy.” No one wondered whether it would be best to really tone down some of our ideals to make ISIS happy after they attacked. Still, Douthat remarks, “If we are concerned about the just distribution of property and money, why do we assume that the desire for some sort of sexual redistribution is inherently ridiculous?” It’s not ridiculous. It’s terrifying. And it’s terrifying because it happens a lot. Many societies have “redistributed sex” in order to motivate angry young men. ISIS does it. Women in Congo’s south Kivu province are often taken as sex slaves. Many comfort women who were forced to serve as sex slaves for Japanese soldiers during WWII have begun telling their stories in an effort to insure their experiences will not be forgotten. One woman told her story, saying: “When the soldiers came back from the battlefields, as many as 20 men would come to my room from early morning. That's why I had to have a hysterectomy (in my twenties). They rounded up little girls still in school. Their genitals were still underdeveloped, so they became torn and infected. There was no medicine except something to prevent sexually transmitted diseases and Mercurochrome. They got sick, their sores became septic, but there was no treatment.” These women are still alive. This didn’t even happen a century ago. They live with the pain, physical and mental, that they had to endure because of “the redistribution of sex.” To them, I feel quite certain, this is not merely a fun thought exercise. When Ross Douthat throws out fun modest proposals about how society should see that these men have access to sex workers (who they despise) — People, please stop suggesting that sex workers are the solution to incels. Incels HATE sex workers, more than any other women. It’s like suggesting that we cure Nazis by having them hook up with Jews. — Mistress hahahahahase (@mistresshahahahahase) May 3, 2018 — or sex robots (which they’re so violent with they quickly destroy) he’s saying that these violent, hateful men’s happiness matters infinitely more than, at least in the case of sex worker’s, women’s safety. Sex involves at least two people. It is supposed to be a pleasurable experience for both of them. That means two partners who are at least making some effort to be thoughtful about each other’s needs. Getting laid is not going to fix hateful misogynists. It’s just going to hurt women.