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Originally Posted by VRPdommy
I think most have the mindset of 20 years ago for China. It's not the same now, with exceptions.
I have watched plenty of interviews and reports of the Chinese worker, and can say that there is a big gap between the 'have' and have-nots' but it does not look much different than the early Japanese Industrial revolution. But we are dealing with 100x the people.
But I'm not going to blame China for corporate greed. It's because of that, this bad play was allowed to happen and strengthen in the first place. They care about nothing but the bottom line 'today' and have created this mess and now find it is unfair to them and want the US gov to do something for them.
The free world only has ban stolen IP from being imported. Company's were well aware of the rules when they entered into selling in China and ignored them. Much of it was not stolen as they would have you believe. Not that much of it was not, but they did have agreements and cheated the system to which they entered.
How would you fair with your credit card company if you suddenly did not like the agreements you signed-on for. You agreed to pay the principle back with interest and refuse to pay the interest and they remove it from other accounts. Is that unfair ?
Sometimes there is a price to pay for cheating a agreement you knowingly enter into.
But I do have a say where I spend my money and I vote accordingly with it rather than to tell others how to do their biz. I do not, or resist, spending money where the labor laws have been side-stepped here in the US.
Indonesia is a similar but whole different story. What labor laws exist and seldom enforced with the help of greedy politicians and greedy comany's.
US co's go abroad to bypass rules. And now so many have entered in bad agreements,
why should my tax dollars go to protecting them.
They have made a mess of many 3rd world counties and is why we are viewed poorly in them because the people do not understand the difference between the gov and the co, because in their world, it is one in the same.
Stupid is as stupid does just like credit cards. And the monopolistic strategies of US co's can not play out very well on the world stage. Most of us have been lied to and/or highly mislead about most of this.
And I am not saying China is doing no wrong either.
Greed kills many things. No matter what, you will be paying for it.
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I really like to read your posts as you are one of the few with logic and intelligent thoughts.
and yes china did some really bad things and this should not fall under the table. but you can not ruin the world economy for it.
and another story is about what they have "stolen".
only because the west makes his own patent laws it does not mean that all other countries have to accept them. patent laws are worldwide different.
One little story I can tell you is, that I was growing up in Germany and you know germans are potato lovers.
There is one sort of potato what I can get only in Germany.
In Spain (where I live a few month per year) nobody sells them because this sort of potato is under a patent and farmers would have to pay so much for it that it does not make sense.
Now the only place I get them originally except in parts of Germany) is in Thailand because they give a fuck on a patent on food - and I agree with that. NOBODY should have the right to get an exclusive patent a potato.
Same thing is with all this clothes copies.
Actually the most of them are not even copies. They are produced with the same material in the same factory from the same people.
But they are so fucking cheap to produce that i think that the crime is to sell it because of a "brand" 100 times more expensive as necessary.
For sure there are other and more serious cases - but in the mentioned ones they are more like robin hoods as criminals for me.
and last not least an economy can not grow with just a few people.
even when chines indians or pakistanis have just a fraction of the buying power from a european - they are fucking 10 times more than us and they want to buy. but for this they need to make money - and they do it with the cheap labor. this cheap labor does not only make their lives better - it makes our lives better too because we can buy more things with the same amount of money. this is called prosperity.
what trump does at the moment will hit the world economy a lot. but on longterm it will hit the us economy MUCH harder because the debts are already on such a high level that
they canīt be paid back EVER.
china will survive that because their dept to GDP is not 105% like the US it is 45% and only 9% of this 45 is foreign money.
I donīt know why the US is always underestimating the asians.
they lost china to mao, they lost korea, they lost vietnam - was that not enough school to understand that this people will NEVER accept a foreign dictate?