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Originally Posted by NewNick
Leaving the EU without a deal will be a disaster for thousands of UK businesses. It will also be a disaster for the government of the day as they see their tax receipts reduced and costs increased dramatically.
I however will see the profitability of my company increase. No deal means no EU VAT treaty and the vast sums my EU based company pays to the UK HMRC will cease.
So leaving the EU in the manner the Brexit nutters want will make me rich yet bankrupt the country.
It will also see the company formation agents in Dublin, Amsterdam, Cyprus, Luxembourg, etc rushed off their feet. A fucking boom town as every company currently selling non tangible goods to UK end users simply relocates their operations with a few clicks of the mouse.
So yes I think the EU has delivered 70 years of peace, stability, rising living standards, improved healthcare, all of the workplace entitlements and benefits we now enjoy, limits to the working week from the working time directive, rights for women in the workplace, and lots of other basic fundamental rights that you dismiss in the populist rants of the likes of Farage. The EU did more to help and fund the rebuilding of Liverpool, Sheffield, Newcastle etc etc after Thatcher and the Tories washed their hands of the North post miners strike.
This does not mean I love the EU or think it is perfect, I just have a grown up view of the world. Farage et al will have you believe that the UK is about to embark on a new industrial revolution. Bring back the empire ffs. When the reality is Brexit will completely fuck up the country, and the poor suckers from the working class areas will suffer the worst. Its like red necks voting for MAGA and thinking the Billionaire Orange baboon is on their side.
You could not make it up.
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Your previous post pointed out all the problems the EU has brought to the UK. You can't have it two ways unless you think stability, rising living standards, improved healthcare, only apply to other countries.
The peace you claim is due to the EU is bullshit.
The EU is only 25 years old, there was no political unity before then, peace is down to USSR and Putin being on our doorstep, disarming Germany and France, Nato, US and the Nuclear bombs.
As for workplace entitlements etc. The migration of millions of low skilled and non skilled EU workers has meant a deterioration in wages and an increase in part time and zero hours contracts. An excess of unemployed has made employers the top dogs in negotiations and an increase in people relying on welfare. Poland blocked Cameron's plan to introduce a minimum period migrants had to be in work before they become eligible for benefits.
The EU is on course to rule from the centre. Something that few Common Market countries voted for, Eire, France and Denmark voted against it, the UK would have voted against it if Blair had held a referendum as he promised. He didn't when he know he would lose. I'm all for the Common Market something that most of the prosperity most claim is a result of the EU. It isn't. All the other pluses are things individual countries could achieve without rule from the centre.
Lastly with Thatcher and the North. The only businesses Thatcher could close is those who were reliant on tax payers money to stave off bankruptcy. No business man closes or doesn't open a business because a PM closes a few.
Whether the South East should fund loss making industries in the North is a question you have to answer before blaming Thatcher. Closing those businesses created a large workforce, yet businesses do not go there and not because of a railway getting there 1 hour sooner. Most freight is moved by road these days. Check trucks on the motorways and count the European trucks to see how getting to Manchester in an hour less will effect business.
Company formation agents in Dublin, Amsterdam, Cyprus, Luxembourg, etc. Will be single offices and that won't effect their manufacturing plants. Companies that risk moving their entire operation to Europe because of Brexit are gambling that the UK and Britain will never do a trade deal. That won't happen.
The UK will have the entire world to trade with and on their terms. There is the problem. If they allow open door trade deals to the Third World they risk losing more manufacturing, R&D, Science, Technology and eventually everything the UK has to places where workers are on 20% to 10% of a British wage. Another factor of where businesses go to do business.