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Originally Posted by Wautier
Pointing fingers isn't a valid defense.
Tom Voyeur is illegal, too.
They uploaded thousands of clips by themselves, and that by itself means that those "user" accounts are probably them as well.
They don't have the legal docs for any of that content, so they will likely be losing their billing very soon, and one good thing about the VISA/MC changes is that dishonest companies like that won't be able to operate that easily.
AmateurVoyeurForum.com is a Czech-based forum and the owner tries to be as ignorant as he possibly can about the content, but the content that they have there is illegal, period. They hack into websites, people's computers, and post the ZIP files of that same content.
VoyeurHit.com is not a typical tube site, it's part of the TubeCup network (WTFBucks/Serious-Partners) and they usually pad their tubes with content off of usenet, torrents, other tubes, etc) but you will have an impossible time proving that those are their uploads, because they do have at least 50% of actual user uploaded content, and they're not incriminating themselves in any way, either.
Creep.Club, Tom Voyeur and AmateurVoyeurForum are all incriminating themselves, however.
The main difference between those other sites and Creep.Club is that they're not as blatant about it. But Creep.Club doesn't hide the fact about who it's made for, and who uploads the content: criminals.
P.S. Egoiste WC will likely be canned by CCBill ASAP if brought to their attention, and the person is likely using a shell to bill for it. That content is 100% ILLEGAL.
You don't get fined if you put a spy camera in a changing room or a bathroom, you go to prison. So it's crazy that someone thinks that you can knowingly host it, let alone bill for it.
Seriously, rethink your life choices.
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Ironic part about this, though you may think I'm being a cheerleader, I actually did bring those companies (and a few dozen more) to CCBill's attention a few months back. The reason I know a bit about this subject is because I work to eliminate them. CCBill did nothing. Actually, they tipped off places like TomVoyeur and told them to relax on 'toilet content' (as you can see on their forums). And then when it was secondly brought to CCBill's attention that sites like TomVoyeur were publicly stating that their credit card processor was giving them tips on how to keep them as a credit card processor, CCBill then gave them a stern talking to and they tried their best to clean up what was said. EgoisteWC, and well, no need to repeat myself; many, many others were brought to their attention and nothing was done about it.
As for your statement about Club Creep being blatantly obvious, I do not see the difference between that and the domain 'VoyeurHit', and how that isn't an obvious intention? Is there a bit of bias here because they have what you deem to be legitimate platforms outside of it? The creep site definitely has more attitude about it, but apples and oranges. It is apparent to me what Voyeurhit is supposed to be and do not see what the parent company should no be held responsible for it.
I feel quite solid in my life choices. As mentioned; I am no cheerleader for these websites. I am their enemy. And you said it yourself, there are places like AmateurVoyeurForum and VoyeurHit, that refuse to take content down at all. All I am saying is to pick our battles wisely, and in priority. While I do not agree with Club Creep, we want to approach tackling 230 carefully. And at least they abide by that.