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struggle7 · 12-20-2003, 02:06 PM

I agree with you. I think it is an outrage.

What I especially hate are entry popups that go to sites who do not give me a cut. Not only is it giving someone else money, if it steals the focus also it is even making it less likely that the surfer I sent will signup to the site.

You can detect this by looking at the 1st page to 2nd page ratio by the way.

Here's something that might piss off some of the smaller webmaster out there when they consider it.

You have two sponsors, Sponsor A and Sponsor B.

These sponsors make a deal to each have an entry pop up listing only or mostly the other sponsors sites. Both sponsors know that the entry consoles will cut down significantly on sales for their respective sites BUT they don't mind because they are actually more interested in taking the traffic from the affiliate and sending it over to Sponsor B without giving the affiliate the cut.

The problem here is that the sponsor really has little desire to sell sales to their site anymore that you would get a cut for. Why should they when they can sell something else and get it all without paying you a dime? And how much worse it is if it isn't really another sponsor at all that they do this with but another of their own sites that they fail to credit you for.

Add to this:

Exit consoles w/ non credited links
"Back up" / "secondary" processors
Cross sells w/o giving the affiliate a cut

"Partnership program" "50/50. Suuuuuuuuure it is.

Sometimes I wonder about people when they call themselves "businessmen". What kind of businessman are you when you can't survive without these tactics? Seems you'd be a better one if you could pull it off honestly and earn the title. For some using such tactics I'd say "scam artist" would be a more deserved title.

The email programs (that are not consoles) have never bugged me though. And the cross sells hardly bother me either since you get credit for the sale still.

12-20-2003, 02:06 PM
struggle7 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 28	I agree with you. I think it is an outrage. What I especially hate are entry popups that go to sites who do not give me a cut. Not only is it giving someone else money, if it steals the focus also it is even making it less likely that the surfer I sent will signup to the site. You can detect this by looking at the 1st page to 2nd page ratio by the way. Here's something that might piss off some of the smaller webmaster out there when they consider it. You have two sponsors, Sponsor A and Sponsor B. These sponsors make a deal to each have an entry pop up listing only or mostly the other sponsors sites. Both sponsors know that the entry consoles will cut down significantly on sales for their respective sites BUT they don't mind because they are actually more interested in taking the traffic from the affiliate and sending it over to Sponsor B without giving the affiliate the cut. The problem here is that the sponsor really has little desire to sell sales to their site anymore that you would get a cut for. Why should they when they can sell something else and get it all without paying you a dime? And how much worse it is if it isn't really another sponsor at all that they do this with but another of their own sites that they fail to credit you for. Add to this: Exit consoles w/ non credited links "Back up" / "secondary" processors Cross sells w/o giving the affiliate a cut "Partnership program" "50/50. Suuuuuuuuure it is. Sometimes I wonder about people when they call themselves "businessmen". What kind of businessman are you when you can't survive without these tactics? Seems you'd be a better one if you could pull it off honestly and earn the title. For some using such tactics I'd say "scam artist" would be a more deserved title. The email programs (that are not consoles) have never bugged me though. And the cross sells hardly bother me either since you get credit for the sale still.