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boneprone · 07-25-2001, 04:07 AM

Im not an ass kisser, but the hun has a very strong point on his negative opinon on dialers. Some of the surfers may truely be "tricked" into using them, and yes it will more than likely create a distrust by that surfer to never want to pay for porn again..

I have yet to remove the dialers from my site but unlike before I am understaning why so many tgp owners are against them.

Ive preached quality quality quality many times here at GFY, and have spoke out against popups, autobookmarkers, and exit consoles more than I can remember.

If the surfer truely is tricked into loading this dialer do doubt it is hurting, if not killing potential future buyers of porn... No Doubt..

But I guess Im in self denial right now assuming that the people who use my dialer are more impulsive rather than "tricked" to use my dialer. Im sure that a percentage of my surfers are tricked into using it, but Im trying to find the difference between this form of trickery and the trickery involved in joining a actual "normal" pay site where they are also "tricked" into the recurring monthly billing.

Surely most people never intend to be rebilled every month at 39.95 every month after paying only 4.95 for a trial.

If one finds using the dialer as wrong or a trick technique that destroys the trust the surfer has for future purchases, how does the dynamics of recurring billing not fall into this catagory? Did American Express have a legitamate complaint, or were they over reacting when they pulled out of the porn site arena saying that porn site's primary function is to "trick" the surfer into a cycle of unwanted monthy billing..

If we really wanted to make things perfect for the surfer, dont just get rid of the dialer get rid of recurring billing.

How would you all like that?
No more 30.00 per sign-up? It would go down to 5.00 or less. Partnership programs would not exist, or would not be worth the trouble, and the industry would not be nearly as rich as it is now.

[This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 07-25-2001).]

07-25-2001, 04:07 AM
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Dialers: The Hun has a strong point but: Im not an ass kisser, but the hun has a very strong point on his negative opinon on dialers. Some of the surfers may truely be "tricked" into using them, and yes it will more than likely create a distrust by that surfer to never want to pay for porn again.. I have yet to remove the dialers from my site but unlike before I am understaning why so many tgp owners are against them. Ive preached quality quality quality many times here at GFY, and have spoke out against popups, autobookmarkers, and exit consoles more than I can remember. If the surfer truely is tricked into loading this dialer do doubt it is hurting, if not killing potential future buyers of porn... No Doubt.. But I guess Im in self denial right now assuming that the people who use my dialer are more impulsive rather than "tricked" to use my dialer. Im sure that a percentage of my surfers are tricked into using it, but Im trying to find the difference between this form of trickery and the trickery involved in joining a actual "normal" pay site where they are also "tricked" into the recurring monthly billing. Surely most people never intend to be rebilled every month at 39.95 every month after paying only 4.95 for a trial. If one finds using the dialer as wrong or a trick technique that destroys the trust the surfer has for future purchases, how does the dynamics of recurring billing not fall into this catagory? Did American Express have a legitamate complaint, or were they over reacting when they pulled out of the porn site arena saying that porn site's primary function is to "trick" the surfer into a cycle of unwanted monthy billing.. If we really wanted to make things perfect for the surfer, dont just get rid of the dialer get rid of recurring billing. How would you all like that? No more 30.00 per sign-up? It would go down to 5.00 or less. Partnership programs would not exist, or would not be worth the trouble, and the industry would not be nearly as rich as it is now. [This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 07-25-2001).]